1 00:00:05,390 --> 00:00:01,550 that appeared in Rendlesham forest 2 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:05,400 incident aliens at all it was completely 3 00:00:12,259 --> 00:00:08,910 silent it comes right over our head it's 4 00:00:13,999 --> 00:00:12,269 so classic he's also really standing in 5 00:00:15,470 --> 00:00:14,009 the Clery he turned over to my father 6 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:15,480 and held his hand and he looked in his 7 00:00:24,950 --> 00:00:21,510 eyes and said we're not alone welcome to 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:24,960 podcast UFO for our live show during the 9 00:00:29,450 --> 00:00:26,970 show feel free to participate live in 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:29,460 our chat room and don't forget to Like 11 00:00:35,090 --> 00:00:32,090 us on our very active Facebook page 12 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:35,100 hello and welcome to the show on Martin 13 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:38,070 Willis your host and pretty excited 14 00:00:42,740 --> 00:00:39,960 about tonight's show we're gonna be 15 00:00:44,569 --> 00:00:42,750 talking about the aerial phenomenon it's 16 00:00:47,630 --> 00:00:44,579 a film coming up by Randall Nickerson 17 00:00:50,299 --> 00:00:47,640 and we have an actual witness to that 18 00:00:52,939 --> 00:00:50,309 case Emily trim who will be joining us 19 00:00:58,099 --> 00:00:52,949 tonight from Canada as well and we're 20 00:01:00,709 --> 00:00:58,109 coming up just six days on the 25th 21 00:01:02,599 --> 00:01:00,719 anniversary of that event which was 22 00:01:04,729 --> 00:01:02,609 actually I don't know why I guess I'm 23 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:04,739 kind of a geek and my iphone geek I 24 00:01:13,010 --> 00:01:07,110 asked Siri how many days ago it was it 25 00:01:15,679 --> 00:01:13,020 was 9125 days ago so Randall and Emily 26 00:01:18,350 --> 00:01:15,689 will be coming up we have Alejandro 27 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:18,360 Rojas he's trying to he was running a 28 00:01:23,450 --> 00:01:19,650 little bit late he's trying to connect 29 00:01:24,830 --> 00:01:23,460 to us we'll see how that goes and so 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:24,840 hopefully he'll be coming up with the 31 00:01:31,490 --> 00:01:26,850 news just just a couple of things last 32 00:01:33,740 --> 00:01:31,500 week I wanted to apologize for not 33 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:33,750 having a show I went out to the UFO 34 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:36,170 Congress international UFO Congress and 35 00:01:43,609 --> 00:01:39,570 tried to do a round-robin a round table 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:43,619 there I had everybody lined up and it 37 00:01:51,380 --> 00:01:49,290 just was not happening hang on just a 38 00:01:52,670 --> 00:01:51,390 second Alejandro's trying to join us I 39 00:01:54,410 --> 00:01:52,680 just have to do a couple of things 40 00:02:00,499 --> 00:01:54,420 that's not working the way he's trying 41 00:02:02,899 --> 00:02:00,509 to do it so I so my sound card fried in 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:02,909 my laptop which I always take to me like 43 00:02:07,389 --> 00:02:05,610 in Russia in any place that I do any 44 00:02:11,809 --> 00:02:07,399 places that I do a show I bring my 45 00:02:13,770 --> 00:02:11,819 laptop with me and it just wasn't having 46 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:13,780 any of it it wasn't working I 47 00:02:18,510 --> 00:02:15,670 had all kinds of things happen not just 48 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:18,520 that other software problems I was on 49 00:02:22,470 --> 00:02:20,590 the phone with I with Apple for two days 50 00:02:25,290 --> 00:02:22,480 anyway long story short I couldn't do a 51 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:25,300 show but I was able to record three 52 00:02:31,740 --> 00:02:29,040 interviews one with James Fox one with 53 00:02:34,350 --> 00:02:31,750 let's see who else was it the 54 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:34,360 Australians from Victoria the whole 55 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:37,360 group I did a round robin with them and 56 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:41,530 then I did another one why am I losing 57 00:02:46,710 --> 00:02:43,510 my thought who the heck did I do oh yes 58 00:02:50,699 --> 00:02:46,720 my actually my very favourite one was 59 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:50,709 with Calvin Parker and Paul Hynek son of 60 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:53,410 J Allen Hynek how could I forget that so 61 00:02:58,920 --> 00:02:56,250 those will be popping up on YouTube also 62 00:03:02,340 --> 00:02:58,930 they will be going out to supporters of 63 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:02,350 the show so if you are support of the 64 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:06,190 show you will see these things pop into 65 00:03:12,509 --> 00:03:09,489 your into your media player or you can 66 00:03:14,430 --> 00:03:12,519 access them online if you're not you can 67 00:03:16,910 --> 00:03:14,440 always watch the YouTube video currently 68 00:03:20,610 --> 00:03:16,920 up I have to I have Calvin Parker and 69 00:03:22,580 --> 00:03:20,620 Paul Hynek up and I also have James Fox 70 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:22,590 up on my YouTube channel and that's over 71 00:03:27,090 --> 00:03:25,690 at Martin Willis live shows over on 72 00:03:29,490 --> 00:03:27,100 YouTube that's the channel I know it's 73 00:03:31,710 --> 00:03:29,500 kind of a silly name but anyway I am 74 00:03:33,539 --> 00:03:31,720 really excited for tonight's show did I 75 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:33,549 say that already but I think we got 76 00:03:41,220 --> 00:03:35,530 Alejandro on the line Alejandro you 77 00:03:43,770 --> 00:03:41,230 there Alejandro I see you but there we 78 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:43,780 go hey I'm you can you hear me I hear 79 00:03:50,099 --> 00:03:47,560 you welcome to the show thank you you 80 00:03:55,949 --> 00:03:50,109 must hang on like what they call a sugar 81 00:03:58,830 --> 00:03:55,959 high from from the UFO Congress what I'm 82 00:04:01,229 --> 00:03:58,840 on a sugar high but that's because we 83 00:04:04,220 --> 00:04:01,239 rewarded ourselves with a cheap 84 00:04:07,830 --> 00:04:04,230 breakfast and we went off diet and I had 85 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:07,840 French syrup so literal in sugar 86 00:04:16,170 --> 00:04:13,030 otherwise I'm still extremely tired if 87 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:16,180 you can tell from my eyes I'm just super 88 00:04:20,610 --> 00:04:18,250 super tired I think you know all that 89 00:04:22,350 --> 00:04:20,620 adrenaline that you're running on most 90 00:04:27,180 --> 00:04:22,360 the time just has gone away 91 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:27,190 so yeah exhausted well I'll tell you you 92 00:04:29,610 --> 00:04:27,520 pulled 93 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:29,620 off a great show there's no other way to 94 00:04:34,499 --> 00:04:32,020 say it it's so much work no one has any 95 00:04:37,619 --> 00:04:34,509 idea how it is unless they actually help 96 00:04:40,499 --> 00:04:37,629 out and I did help out I screwed up a 97 00:04:43,589 --> 00:04:40,509 couple of times on the TriCaster I felt 98 00:04:46,159 --> 00:04:43,599 bad about that but overall it was I 99 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:46,169 really enjoyed myself I had a good time 100 00:04:52,529 --> 00:04:49,449 well you know what we all screw up a 101 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:52,539 little bit here and there and luckily no 102 00:04:57,719 --> 00:04:56,050 major issues I think even the screw-ups 103 00:05:01,740 --> 00:04:57,729 that you had I don't think I had one 104 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:01,750 person comment or even mention any of it 105 00:05:05,879 --> 00:05:04,180 so hopefully they didn't notice I mean 106 00:05:08,700 --> 00:05:05,889 you did a remarkable job you're 107 00:05:11,909 --> 00:05:08,710 excellent at it it's so great to have 108 00:05:12,689 --> 00:05:11,919 you there helping out and yeah you did 109 00:05:14,370 --> 00:05:12,699 such a great job 110 00:05:16,559 --> 00:05:14,380 I mean sure there were some tense 111 00:05:18,540 --> 00:05:16,569 moments where things weren't exactly on 112 00:05:20,670 --> 00:05:18,550 cue but besides you and I I don't think 113 00:05:23,219 --> 00:05:20,680 anybody else noticed yeah yeah no that 114 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:23,229 can that gets that's like doing a live 115 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:25,330 show times 10 doing a live show your 116 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:27,580 always cuz you troubles that can happen 117 00:05:34,050 --> 00:05:30,849 you've been through many with me doing 118 00:05:35,309 --> 00:05:34,060 this show so but but there oh my god 119 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:35,319 you're all the people in the audience 120 00:05:39,180 --> 00:05:37,449 and you're also recording for your 121 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:39,190 videos that go out it's it's pretty 122 00:05:44,459 --> 00:05:41,530 intense but we got through it and it is 123 00:05:47,610 --> 00:05:44,469 it was blast do you want to know about 124 00:05:49,230 --> 00:05:47,620 that today go ahead yeah I did want to 125 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:49,240 mention for instance you know what we 126 00:05:53,999 --> 00:05:52,360 were doing was a live broadcast and just 127 00:05:55,769 --> 00:05:54,009 think imagine you know we gave the 128 00:05:57,950 --> 00:05:55,779 Lifetime Achievement Award to George 129 00:05:59,129 --> 00:05:57,960 Knapp and he has to do that on a daily 130 00:06:02,149 --> 00:05:59,139 basis 131 00:06:05,159 --> 00:06:02,159 I mean broadcast news I did a bit as a 132 00:06:07,499 --> 00:06:05,169 college student and it's so stressful 133 00:06:09,029 --> 00:06:07,509 and difficult every day you got to get 134 00:06:10,409 --> 00:06:09,039 to work you got to hunt down a story you 135 00:06:13,830 --> 00:06:10,419 got to hunt down those people you got to 136 00:06:15,990 --> 00:06:13,840 record the show then you get in to you 137 00:06:17,339 --> 00:06:16,000 know the office and then you do the show 138 00:06:19,170 --> 00:06:17,349 live where you have to coordinate all 139 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:19,180 the cameras and stuff what we were doing 140 00:06:24,719 --> 00:06:21,610 in fact the system you're using was made 141 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:24,729 for that sort of switching on live 142 00:06:30,420 --> 00:06:28,630 broadcast so I you know in your Manning 143 00:06:32,189 --> 00:06:30,430 the whole directing part so you do a 144 00:06:34,350 --> 00:06:32,199 great job with that but yeah it's really 145 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:34,360 stressful and it just you know George 146 00:06:37,769 --> 00:06:36,250 Knapp has been doing that for so many 147 00:06:39,930 --> 00:06:37,779 years and it's kind of funny because 148 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:39,940 I've seen a little bit online where 149 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:41,090 people have 150 00:06:45,250 --> 00:06:42,710 said oh look it's just a group of 151 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:45,260 friends giving each other awards and 152 00:06:49,990 --> 00:06:47,930 that makes me kind of curious true I'd 153 00:06:51,730 --> 00:06:50,000 have to admit I do consider Jorge and 154 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:51,740 Jeremy friend George 155 00:06:56,409 --> 00:06:54,260 Jeremy Korbel but I just to me and I'd 156 00:06:58,510 --> 00:06:56,419 love to hear your opinion it seems 157 00:07:00,490 --> 00:06:58,520 intuitively obvious that George Knapp 158 00:07:02,980 --> 00:07:00,500 would receive a Lifetime Achievement 159 00:07:06,909 --> 00:07:02,990 Award for God's sakes this is a guy who 160 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:06,919 made area 51 famous you know and and 161 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:08,840 currently he's got the latest breaking 162 00:07:12,670 --> 00:07:10,210 news with all of these leaked documents 163 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:12,680 regarding a tip and then of course 164 00:07:19,780 --> 00:07:16,580 Jeremy Korbel with his movies storm 165 00:07:22,719 --> 00:07:19,790 area51 becoming huge him bringing bob 166 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:22,729 lazar all over the place I don't think 167 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:24,710 it takes much to see that even 168 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:27,500 objectively you know these two are 169 00:07:34,750 --> 00:07:30,250 deserving of the awards we gave them but 170 00:07:36,940 --> 00:07:34,760 yeah it was a lot of fun well I gotta 171 00:07:39,219 --> 00:07:36,950 tell you you know I I think no matter 172 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:39,229 who are you gonna give an award to that 173 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:41,330 people are going to complain I just 174 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:44,000 really do I just feel that is just what 175 00:07:49,990 --> 00:07:47,690 happens these days you know I definitely 176 00:07:51,790 --> 00:07:50,000 think George deserved that 177 00:07:56,110 --> 00:07:51,800 even though he stood me up for an 178 00:07:58,420 --> 00:07:56,120 interview but hopefully he'll be on and 179 00:07:59,830 --> 00:07:58,430 he said he had come on the show I have 180 00:08:02,650 --> 00:07:59,840 to pre-record with him though at some 181 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:02,660 point but anyway yeah I think I did not 182 00:08:08,170 --> 00:08:04,850 believe yeah I think he definitely 183 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:08,180 deserved that award you know you have my 184 00:08:14,350 --> 00:08:12,530 thumbs up for that one but anyway like I 185 00:08:18,790 --> 00:08:14,360 said that's just what's going to happen 186 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:18,800 and it's the way it goes but it was it 187 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:21,110 was really exciting to see all these 188 00:08:24,820 --> 00:08:22,820 people you know a lot of them for the 189 00:08:26,529 --> 00:08:24,830 first time that was what I really got 190 00:08:29,290 --> 00:08:26,539 out of got out of the whole thing it was 191 00:08:33,310 --> 00:08:29,300 one yeah I think the whole event turned 192 00:08:36,909 --> 00:08:33,320 out and in retrospect better than 193 00:08:38,199 --> 00:08:36,919 expected you know and it's it's it takes 194 00:08:41,050 --> 00:08:38,209 a lot of pre-work 195 00:08:44,110 --> 00:08:41,060 and you know Karen for instance who owns 196 00:08:46,390 --> 00:08:44,120 and as the decision maker she's the boss 197 00:08:48,730 --> 00:08:46,400 when it comes to this conference people 198 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:48,740 like to give me credit and and thank you 199 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:50,930 for that and I do you know a lot I'm in 200 00:08:54,700 --> 00:08:54,560 a second her second hand man but you 201 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:54,710 know 202 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:56,810 it's all that stress and preparation 203 00:09:02,020 --> 00:08:58,730 that pays off and the Lord knows you 204 00:09:03,610 --> 00:09:02,030 know it's it's you know it used to be 205 00:09:06,430 --> 00:09:03,620 owned by someone who had deep pockets 206 00:09:08,860 --> 00:09:06,440 and he made his money elsewhere but for 207 00:09:11,140 --> 00:09:08,870 Karen you know it's really important 208 00:09:13,270 --> 00:09:11,150 that first of all everything goes well 209 00:09:15,580 --> 00:09:13,280 for reputation but also you know that 210 00:09:16,810 --> 00:09:15,590 there's no major issues for financial 211 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:16,820 reasons because it can be much more 212 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:18,710 financially devastating to her than it 213 00:09:24,670 --> 00:09:21,440 would be for the previous owners so oh 214 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:24,680 yeah stress you know that you get under 215 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:28,010 is monumental it's it's huge and to do 216 00:09:33,370 --> 00:09:30,410 to run the conference and put it on you 217 00:09:35,050 --> 00:09:33,380 know she she she really hit it out of 218 00:09:38,110 --> 00:09:35,060 the ballpark on this one it's a unique 219 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:38,120 experience I think and and you can let 220 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:40,130 me know your thoughts too because you 221 00:09:46,450 --> 00:09:41,680 know did the level of professionalism 222 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:46,460 and the of the speakers which is 223 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:48,650 something you know we take a lot of time 224 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:50,690 and effort to make sure that they're all 225 00:09:56,530 --> 00:09:52,670 great people even some of the newer 226 00:09:58,150 --> 00:09:56,540 people to e Snyder Lisa Tenny Sonya 227 00:10:01,270 --> 00:09:58,160 Barrett some of these people who haven't 228 00:10:03,390 --> 00:10:01,280 spoken debbie Coble the focus of the 229 00:10:06,580 --> 00:10:03,400 intruder book in the movie incredible 230 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:06,590 Calvin Parker Paul Hynek all of these 231 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:08,690 people who haven't been there before you 232 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:10,370 know they were all extraordinary they 233 00:10:15,310 --> 00:10:12,790 were wonderful they were really good and 234 00:10:17,230 --> 00:10:15,320 so it's very exciting that it all went 235 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:17,240 so well and that everyone turned out to 236 00:10:21,730 --> 00:10:19,790 be so wonderful including their help 237 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:21,740 including you and of course the other 238 00:10:27,580 --> 00:10:24,400 great people that were hanging out with 239 00:10:29,470 --> 00:10:27,590 and then people like James Fox coming in 240 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:29,480 and revealing you know exclusive 241 00:10:34,270 --> 00:10:30,890 information that's never been seen 242 00:10:36,370 --> 00:10:34,280 before at the conference it turned out 243 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:36,380 really really good and and just so 244 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:38,450 people know you know any questions you 245 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:40,850 have please ask Martin because I know my 246 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:42,530 brain is kind of fried so if you think 247 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:43,760 there's some news that we should be 248 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:46,430 sharing from the conference but we will 249 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:49,130 be especially next week you know posting 250 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:51,170 some short videos and forcing lots of 251 00:10:55,210 --> 00:10:53,570 news and information about some of the 252 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:55,220 breaking news that did happen during the 253 00:10:59,230 --> 00:10:57,200 conference yeah one of the things I 254 00:11:00,670 --> 00:10:59,240 thought you know getting back to george 255 00:11:03,820 --> 00:11:00,680 knapp you and I have had conversations 256 00:11:06,970 --> 00:11:03,830 we had one just before George went up 257 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:06,980 and I said to you you know that George 258 00:11:11,230 --> 00:11:08,690 does not like 259 00:11:12,430 --> 00:11:11,240 anyone to you know say nice things about 260 00:11:14,410 --> 00:11:12,440 him it drives him crazy 261 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:14,420 and you and I were laughing about it and 262 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:16,730 you said to me you said yeah keep it 263 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:18,649 secret that I'm giving him you know 264 00:11:21,639 --> 00:11:20,120 lifetime award 265 00:11:23,110 --> 00:11:21,649 just keep it secret or we'll go out and 266 00:11:25,749 --> 00:11:23,120 that's one of the first things he said 267 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:25,759 to you when he got up there he said I 268 00:11:31,350 --> 00:11:28,610 knew you know that if you told me this I 269 00:11:34,449 --> 00:11:31,360 wouldn't have shown up to not hate ya I 270 00:11:37,030 --> 00:11:34,459 finally I was worried he was gonna get 271 00:11:39,579 --> 00:11:37,040 mad because I know he told me in the 272 00:11:41,050 --> 00:11:39,589 past because when we do these awards we 273 00:11:43,059 --> 00:11:41,060 create these videos that show about 274 00:11:46,569 --> 00:11:43,069 their life you know and why they deserve 275 00:11:48,220 --> 00:11:46,579 the awards and I couldn't ask him for 276 00:11:51,340 --> 00:11:48,230 any information so I had to do my 277 00:11:53,410 --> 00:11:51,350 research separately for the video and I 278 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:53,420 had to be super secretive because in the 279 00:11:57,429 --> 00:11:56,089 past when I told him what we really want 280 00:12:00,699 --> 00:11:57,439 you there and we want to give you a word 281 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:00,709 on Sunday he would say no you can't it's 282 00:12:05,259 --> 00:12:02,810 not that you know thank you very much 283 00:12:06,850 --> 00:12:05,269 and but I I really just feel 284 00:12:09,009 --> 00:12:06,860 uncomfortable when I get attention for 285 00:12:10,869 --> 00:12:09,019 awards and stuff and not just from us I 286 00:12:13,269 --> 00:12:10,879 know he flows that way with other awards 287 00:12:16,389 --> 00:12:13,279 you know you don't see him promoting 288 00:12:19,660 --> 00:12:16,399 that he has you know all these awards 289 00:12:22,090 --> 00:12:19,670 from these Edward Murrow awards and 290 00:12:23,590 --> 00:12:22,100 these Emmys and everything he doesn't 291 00:12:28,269 --> 00:12:23,600 talk about that much yeah 292 00:12:30,910 --> 00:12:28,279 but so this year I he never told me that 293 00:12:33,790 --> 00:12:30,920 he never said okay if I come don't give 294 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:33,800 me an award and I kept expecting it and 295 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:35,870 I was so worried that he would even like 296 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:37,490 a week before after we had done the 297 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:38,930 planning and I did all this work to 298 00:12:42,670 --> 00:12:40,610 create the video and the research on his 299 00:12:45,100 --> 00:12:42,680 background and I hope he lets me share 300 00:12:48,790 --> 00:12:45,110 this video that I did because you know 301 00:12:51,189 --> 00:12:48,800 it shows we got to where he is and but 302 00:12:52,780 --> 00:12:51,199 he never told me that now he he'd never 303 00:12:54,249 --> 00:12:52,790 caught win and I was so surprised he 304 00:12:56,590 --> 00:12:54,259 never said don't do it because then I 305 00:12:58,900 --> 00:12:56,600 would have had to have not so it was 306 00:13:00,879 --> 00:12:58,910 great so we do it and he comes to this 307 00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:00,889 stage and he swaggering kind of like a 308 00:13:08,439 --> 00:13:05,120 John Wayne no I don't think there is a 309 00:13:10,689 --> 00:13:08,449 similarity exact me this look and he's 310 00:13:13,299 --> 00:13:10,699 like that was really sneaking Alejandro 311 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:13,309 and I said I know and I'm just laughing 312 00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:14,990 and giggling and he's like you know I 313 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:16,880 would have come if you if you I would 314 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:19,100 have known and I said I know I totally 315 00:13:24,820 --> 00:13:22,370 know that so it worked out great so we 316 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:24,830 able to sneakily give him this award 317 00:13:30,820 --> 00:13:28,970 that he totally deserves jeremy was 318 00:13:33,490 --> 00:13:30,830 telling me how shy he was about it 319 00:13:35,350 --> 00:13:33,500 afterwards but of course Jeremy was 320 00:13:36,460 --> 00:13:35,360 happy that we were able to reward him - 321 00:13:40,060 --> 00:13:36,470 yeah 322 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:40,070 okay alejandro well we eaten up all our 323 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:42,710 time so thanks so much and we'll be 324 00:13:46,780 --> 00:13:44,210 seeing you next week gets some good rest 325 00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:46,790 and yeah yeah just remember don't jump 326 00:13:50,260 --> 00:13:48,560 back on that sugar it's awful hard once 327 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:50,270 you take that first butter shop don't 328 00:13:54,850 --> 00:13:51,890 worry about it that's it that's one 329 00:13:56,860 --> 00:13:54,860 cheap breakfast going back to today at 330 00:13:59,320 --> 00:13:56,870 the rest of time back yeah thank you so 331 00:14:01,720 --> 00:13:59,330 much for doing such a great job at the 332 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:01,730 conference you were awesome it was 333 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:03,770 wonderful to have you there and I hope 334 00:14:08,380 --> 00:14:04,850 you have a great show today 335 00:14:11,050 --> 00:14:08,390 thanks a lot have a good one yeah all 336 00:14:12,490 --> 00:14:11,060 right so everyone that's that's it for 337 00:14:16,210 --> 00:14:12,500 the news and now we're going to bring on 338 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:16,220 our guests we have we have Randall 339 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:19,010 Nicholas Nicholson who has created this 340 00:14:25,810 --> 00:14:21,770 wonderful film he's taken forever to do 341 00:14:29,710 --> 00:14:25,820 it and he is a I know him well enough to 342 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:29,720 tell you this he is I call him Randy but 343 00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:31,370 Randall will try to call him Randall 344 00:14:34,810 --> 00:14:33,440 because he's a professional and when I 345 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:34,820 say he's a professional you should look 346 00:14:41,220 --> 00:14:37,040 at his wildlife photography and some of 347 00:14:43,990 --> 00:14:41,230 the his work he is extremely fussy 348 00:14:47,470 --> 00:14:44,000 perfectionist and this film has taken a 349 00:14:49,449 --> 00:14:47,480 long time and after speaking to him the 350 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:49,459 other night or last night actually he 351 00:14:54,850 --> 00:14:52,010 said that he when he watches the film he 352 00:14:57,190 --> 00:14:54,860 loves it and that's he is his harshest 353 00:14:58,269 --> 00:14:57,200 critic so I cannot wait for this film to 354 00:15:03,340 --> 00:14:58,279 come out 355 00:15:06,010 --> 00:15:03,350 welcome to the show you too I'm Arne hi 356 00:15:09,310 --> 00:15:06,020 and Emily you and I met I don't know 357 00:15:11,260 --> 00:15:09,320 three years ago and in Phoenix and it 358 00:15:13,540 --> 00:15:11,270 was a we hung out quite a bit we had a 359 00:15:17,980 --> 00:15:13,550 lot of a lot of really great talks and 360 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:17,990 it was very enjoyable to meet you yes 361 00:15:23,230 --> 00:15:21,260 yeah I was wonderful and you had your 362 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:23,240 artwork I want to talk about that 363 00:15:27,610 --> 00:15:25,610 tonight because I think I think you have 364 00:15:30,550 --> 00:15:27,620 mentioned before that you know you were 365 00:15:34,449 --> 00:15:30,560 influenced a lot by that but first of 366 00:15:36,249 --> 00:15:34,459 all Randy you mentioned that we're 367 00:15:38,650 --> 00:15:36,259 coming up on 25 years as 368 00:15:41,619 --> 00:15:38,660 are people talking about the 25th 369 00:15:44,199 --> 00:15:41,629 anniversary of that event I don't think 370 00:15:48,129 --> 00:15:44,209 so but I think it's something to you 371 00:15:51,639 --> 00:15:48,139 know to mention an honor it was 25 years 372 00:15:54,340 --> 00:15:51,649 ago that this event occurred and it 373 00:15:57,669 --> 00:15:54,350 affected a lot of people in Africa and 374 00:16:01,179 --> 00:15:57,679 beyond that affected John Mac's life and 375 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:01,189 Tim Leitch in England and many people 376 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:05,929 this event affected and after spending 377 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:08,809 so much time with with the students and 378 00:16:15,219 --> 00:16:12,049 the school and the wonderful teachers 379 00:16:18,069 --> 00:16:15,229 there and and all the reporters I felt 380 00:16:21,699 --> 00:16:18,079 like it was a I thought it was a great 381 00:16:24,879 --> 00:16:21,709 to be on something to be honored yes 382 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:24,889 yeah I know like you said it it's a it 383 00:16:29,819 --> 00:16:27,410 affected so many people's lives and you 384 00:16:32,859 --> 00:16:29,829 know John Mac who is no longer with us 385 00:16:36,789 --> 00:16:32,869 you know that's just it's just too bad 386 00:16:40,259 --> 00:16:36,799 that you know he didn't get to see where 387 00:16:43,349 --> 00:16:40,269 this is this whole thing is has gone and 388 00:16:45,669 --> 00:16:43,359 Emily do you remember meeting John Mac 389 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:45,679 you know it was kind of a bit of a 390 00:16:51,939 --> 00:16:48,769 chaotic time when the whole event 391 00:16:53,319 --> 00:16:51,949 occurred so we were introduced to so 392 00:16:56,829 --> 00:16:53,329 many different people and I didn't 393 00:16:59,889 --> 00:16:56,839 really know who with whom at the time so 394 00:17:02,409 --> 00:16:59,899 do I recognize his face as somebody that 395 00:17:04,059 --> 00:17:02,419 was down there yes but it's like it was 396 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:04,069 you know like Cynthia Hines was down 397 00:17:09,549 --> 00:17:06,230 there I mean BBC was down there and it 398 00:17:11,409 --> 00:17:09,559 was just like so many different people 399 00:17:13,210 --> 00:17:11,419 that we were being interviewed by at the 400 00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:13,220 time oh yes 401 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:17,360 and do you remember let's say Randy you 402 00:17:21,970 --> 00:17:20,449 still there yeah can you hear me oh yes 403 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:21,980 it looked like your call was coming 404 00:17:25,629 --> 00:17:23,720 through again for some reason yeah it 405 00:17:28,869 --> 00:17:25,639 was I think it was coming through for it 406 00:17:31,060 --> 00:17:28,879 with the video oh okay well during the 407 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:31,070 commercial we'll try that yeah we'll try 408 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:32,809 that we'll try that was good and that 409 00:17:38,049 --> 00:17:35,210 won't be until another I don't know it 410 00:17:42,250 --> 00:17:38,059 looks like 25 30 minutes from now but 411 00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:42,260 there so Randy when did you first get 412 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:45,919 word of this whole event the first time 413 00:17:49,390 --> 00:17:48,049 I heard about this was actually with 414 00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:49,400 John Mac in 415 00:17:56,270 --> 00:17:53,280 Boston and he was showing me the the 416 00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:56,280 kids the video of the kids from Zimbabwe 417 00:18:03,140 --> 00:17:58,080 the next week that was actually when he 418 00:18:05,090 --> 00:18:03,150 got back from there in 94 and yeah I was 419 00:18:08,660 --> 00:18:05,100 just struck by the the honesty and 420 00:18:11,420 --> 00:18:08,670 sincerity of the people and that's 421 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:11,430 that's something I found when I went 422 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:16,170 found the school and and started meeting 423 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:18,150 the teachers and all the other students 424 00:18:22,430 --> 00:18:19,470 I'm like wow these people are pretty 425 00:18:24,770 --> 00:18:22,440 straight and real you know and honest 426 00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:24,780 and I noticed that in their eyes you 427 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:27,000 know as much in the archival footage as 428 00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:29,910 I did with them in person in the present 429 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:32,400 day and that that moved me particularly 430 00:18:39,140 --> 00:18:34,410 when people are telling you a story that 431 00:18:43,820 --> 00:18:39,150 is seems unbelievable but you could 432 00:18:46,460 --> 00:18:43,830 really feel the truth and honesty of of 433 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:46,470 everybody the the student witnesses and 434 00:18:51,140 --> 00:18:49,410 the teachers and the other people in the 435 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:51,150 surrounding area that had seen things 436 00:18:55,220 --> 00:18:53,490 you know they weren't they were just 437 00:18:58,460 --> 00:18:55,230 genuine and I really appreciate that 438 00:19:02,110 --> 00:18:58,470 actually about the whole school and all 439 00:19:05,750 --> 00:19:02,120 the witnesses that have come forward 440 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:05,760 Emily a question for you do you 441 00:19:11,210 --> 00:19:08,330 sometimes take a look at some of those 442 00:19:13,570 --> 00:19:11,220 interviews on YouTube or wherever they 443 00:19:15,860 --> 00:19:13,580 are wherever you find them of the 444 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:15,870 children being interviewed by John Mack 445 00:19:19,250 --> 00:19:17,820 I mean it's so chilling is that 446 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:19,260 something you actually luck to look at 447 00:19:28,130 --> 00:19:24,930 sometimes it's actually kind of a bit of 448 00:19:32,060 --> 00:19:28,140 a funny story and how I met Randall I 449 00:19:35,030 --> 00:19:32,070 didn't like I locked the experience away 450 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:35,040 for quite some time I was like I and the 451 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:41,010 missionary's kid and we we moved in 1995 452 00:19:45,740 --> 00:19:43,410 so just after the event occurred and 453 00:19:48,620 --> 00:19:45,750 Miss Canada so I was dealing with like 454 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:48,630 culture shock and I was dealing with new 455 00:19:55,940 --> 00:19:53,910 schools and new residency and you know 456 00:19:58,430 --> 00:19:55,950 all these different things so I kind of 457 00:20:02,520 --> 00:19:58,440 locked it up for a while and you didn't 458 00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:02,530 process the actual event and then I 459 00:20:09,690 --> 00:20:06,550 I was I must have been like 19 to 21 460 00:20:11,910 --> 00:20:09,700 when I looked online for the first time 461 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:11,920 and my mind started thinking about the 462 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:18,610 event and I was actually kind of mad to 463 00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,770 be honest because you know people in the 464 00:20:26,940 --> 00:20:25,120 experiencers as I've just come to know 465 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:26,950 you know they get ridiculed a lot 466 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:28,570 there's a lot of stigma and stereotype 467 00:20:36,270 --> 00:20:33,700 on them and I wrote I think it was the 468 00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:36,280 John Mac Institute and that's kind of 469 00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:38,440 have Rendell and I got introduced where 470 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:42,640 I wrote kind of a nasty email pretty 471 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:47,050 upset over the fact that our authorities 472 00:20:52,590 --> 00:20:49,210 were all over and we were just kids you 473 00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:52,600 know at the time and like you knew the 474 00:20:56,220 --> 00:20:54,880 event happened you knew that people had 475 00:20:58,860 --> 00:20:56,230 come down to interview you but you 476 00:21:01,380 --> 00:20:58,870 didn't realize the ramifications of what 477 00:21:05,730 --> 00:21:01,390 it meant to actually be an experiencer 478 00:21:07,860 --> 00:21:05,740 at the time so you know so that's how 479 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:07,870 Grandal and I mentioned he at first was 480 00:21:10,620 --> 00:21:09,130 like I don't know if I'm gonna ever 481 00:21:16,190 --> 00:21:10,630 speak to this person if they're going to 482 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:16,200 be yeah I remember that very well yeah 483 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:18,910 it's been a long a long journey with 484 00:21:24,570 --> 00:21:22,000 Emily from that first email of you know 485 00:21:26,850 --> 00:21:24,580 saying what what do you why are you 486 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:26,860 telling our story or what something to 487 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:29,650 that effect I'm like oh okay 488 00:21:34,500 --> 00:21:32,110 it was very interesting but it's been 489 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:34,510 it's grown over time a long time 490 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:37,140 actually to a really nice friendship and 491 00:21:45,060 --> 00:21:43,090 and I really appreciate that and and a 492 00:21:47,550 --> 00:21:45,070 lot with the other arrow kids to just 493 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:47,560 get to know get to know them and their 494 00:21:53,310 --> 00:21:50,830 lives and their families and yeah it's 495 00:21:58,890 --> 00:21:53,320 been pretty special so when did you 496 00:22:03,810 --> 00:21:58,900 first up to speak to each other I 497 00:22:06,660 --> 00:22:03,820 believe it was 2000 I don't know I think 498 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:06,670 it was 2011 or 2012 somewhere around 499 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:11,530 there yeah like when the email first 500 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:13,570 happened or when we first are so much 501 00:22:20,670 --> 00:22:16,510 the email was 2008 502 00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:20,680 yeah I don't have it by the way yeah I 503 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:25,360 still have it so and then I think we met 504 00:22:33,410 --> 00:22:29,200 in person in 2012 or 2013 13 yeah I 505 00:22:35,970 --> 00:22:33,420 think it was 2013 because at the time I 506 00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:35,980 just the experienced surge come to the 507 00:22:41,580 --> 00:22:38,080 forefront of my mind and I was really 508 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:41,590 needing to process the event and I saw 509 00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,330 Randall and had connected on Facebook 510 00:22:48,210 --> 00:22:46,000 and I saw that he was trying to reach 511 00:22:52,410 --> 00:22:48,220 out to one of the other teachers to 512 00:22:55,410 --> 00:22:52,420 speak about the event and I had no idea 513 00:22:58,410 --> 00:22:55,420 Randall like ice he had presented to me 514 00:23:00,450 --> 00:22:58,420 I mean after the original email that 515 00:23:03,570 --> 00:23:00,460 there was a documentary that was 516 00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:03,580 happening and I at first didn't want to 517 00:23:09,870 --> 00:23:06,220 participate it took me about five years 518 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:09,880 after the fact and the experience 519 00:23:16,410 --> 00:23:12,970 started becoming more and more to the 520 00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:16,420 forefront of needing to be processed and 521 00:23:28,500 --> 00:23:23,140 I reached out to him and he he said you 522 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,510 know can I call you and I said yes and I 523 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:31,360 told him my testimony and he said you 524 00:23:36,210 --> 00:23:34,050 know you've got a very good 525 00:23:39,390 --> 00:23:36,220 comprehension of the event and what had 526 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:39,400 occurred at the time and was you know I 527 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,650 had known unbeknownst to me there was 528 00:23:49,890 --> 00:23:46,480 the interviews happening in Los Angeles 529 00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:49,900 so he asked me if I would fly out there 530 00:23:55,290 --> 00:23:53,020 and and I did and the rest is kind of in 531 00:23:58,050 --> 00:23:55,300 history and I spent part of this journey 532 00:24:02,250 --> 00:23:58,060 with Randall and along with the other 533 00:24:06,300 --> 00:24:02,260 children who are now adults and um you 534 00:24:09,930 --> 00:24:06,310 know we we all felt it was time to to 535 00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:09,940 talk about it now if it wasn't for this 536 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:11,620 film Emily do you think that you would 537 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:14,260 have connected with your fellow 538 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:17,410 classmates or do you think it may never 539 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:18,910 have I'm some of them I'm sure you 540 00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,730 happen to touch with but I mean has this 541 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:24,240 really helped pull a lot of you together 542 00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:28,510 well be I think I you know on my 543 00:24:31,950 --> 00:24:29,830 Instagram today actually 544 00:24:34,889 --> 00:24:31,960 to the post saying I think one of the 545 00:24:38,220 --> 00:24:34,899 most valuable things that we got out of 546 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:38,230 Arial school was creating these bonds of 547 00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:42,190 friendships and families and you know we 548 00:24:48,419 --> 00:24:44,799 always connected none of us really 549 00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:48,429 discussed the event after the fact you 550 00:24:57,109 --> 00:24:52,919 know it got the attention worldwide and 551 00:25:02,430 --> 00:24:57,119 you know a lot of the kids were able to 552 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:02,440 process it as a group at the time but 553 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:04,570 then as we grew up we just kind of put 554 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:07,330 it away and you know focused our mind so 555 00:25:12,509 --> 00:25:08,980 any focused on just developing into 556 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:12,519 adults and I mean you know focusing on 557 00:25:18,690 --> 00:25:16,570 our careers and we've always we've 558 00:25:20,279 --> 00:25:18,700 always stayed in touch and we will 559 00:25:22,769 --> 00:25:20,289 always have those bonds and all the type 560 00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:22,779 of memories by just yeah we didn't 561 00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:26,169 really discuss it so it was a nice 562 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:30,669 opportunity because at the time I was 563 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:33,190 standing side by side with Liesel during 564 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:35,320 the event and one of the other children 565 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:39,940 and Emma and Selma who was on the show 566 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:43,210 with it last year a couple years ago but 567 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:47,369 she revisited the show last last summer 568 00:25:55,409 --> 00:25:52,769 okay Emma in summer also came down for 569 00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:55,419 the interviews in Los Angeles and we 570 00:26:02,430 --> 00:26:00,179 were both of us the shoes for women 571 00:26:06,479 --> 00:26:02,440 Liesl and myself were standing side by 572 00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:06,489 side during the event and some mi were 573 00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:08,080 standing side by side during the event 574 00:26:13,979 --> 00:26:11,440 so we we didn't know that you know we 575 00:26:17,580 --> 00:26:13,989 didn't know that we were gonna be seeing 576 00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:17,590 who was actually Lisa at the time you 577 00:26:24,810 --> 00:26:20,470 know so it was kind of a beautiful thing 578 00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:24,820 to have happen and it was a great way of 579 00:26:31,649 --> 00:26:29,559 reconnecting and discussing you know one 580 00:26:34,859 --> 00:26:31,659 of the things I neglected to do and I 581 00:26:38,659 --> 00:26:34,869 apologize to the new listener since I 582 00:26:41,820 --> 00:26:38,669 would say since actually December 16 583 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:41,830 2017 since the New York Times article 584 00:26:47,340 --> 00:26:43,510 came out everything is basically 585 00:26:49,290 --> 00:26:47,350 changed and with that I have new people 586 00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:49,300 listening to the show all the time and I 587 00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:52,120 do get a lot of email with people asking 588 00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:54,190 me can you explain the case is a little 589 00:26:59,880 --> 00:26:57,340 bit more you know because it's all new 590 00:27:03,000 --> 00:26:59,890 to a lot of people the this case up 591 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:03,010 someone may have never heard about Emily 592 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:05,530 would you like to walk us through in a 593 00:27:15,380 --> 00:27:08,070 nutshell kind of the events that led to 594 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:15,390 to this happening yeah okay so we were 595 00:27:23,550 --> 00:27:18,960 the families at the time that were there 596 00:27:25,740 --> 00:27:23,560 founded aerial school and so we BIR 597 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:25,750 group of children that had actually 598 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:29,190 founded the school and we were attending 599 00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:33,250 classes just like normal and we had a 600 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:36,790 recess break and during the recess it 601 00:27:43,820 --> 00:27:38,470 was just like any other day we were 602 00:27:46,940 --> 00:27:43,830 playing in the playground which was 603 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:46,950 there was a perimeter of a boundary 604 00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:49,930 because there was a lot of brush where 605 00:27:57,060 --> 00:27:52,480 snakes and you know all different types 606 00:28:03,030 --> 00:27:57,070 of wildlife and diversity could exist in 607 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:03,040 Rome so we were playing and my friend 608 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,050 and I this is just my personal account 609 00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:06,880 my friends and I we weren't hopping 610 00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:09,760 along the boundary log and all of a 611 00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:12,600 sudden we heard this high-pitched 612 00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:17,020 frequency and there was like a flash in 613 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:24,130 the sky and this ship landed in just 614 00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:25,930 outside of the perimeter of the boundary 615 00:28:32,820 --> 00:28:30,070 box and all of a sudden there was chaos 616 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:32,830 on the playground kids were running 617 00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:36,490 towards the ship to get a better look 618 00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:42,120 and these beings came out and two beings 619 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:45,700 presented themselves in front of me and 620 00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:49,450 my friend Lisa and we experienced as 621 00:28:58,739 --> 00:28:54,000 what we would call psychic or telepathic 622 00:29:01,739 --> 00:28:58,749 communication and I had a man 623 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:01,749 like photographic images flutter in 624 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:06,210 front of my face I like buddy in my mind 625 00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:09,840 and a lot of the children describes 626 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:13,240 which we all discussed is an 627 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:16,840 environmental impact as well so like 628 00:29:26,190 --> 00:29:21,370 climate change and the uses of 629 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:26,200 technology that was kind of she just of 630 00:29:31,529 --> 00:29:29,289 the particular event and then the school 631 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:31,539 bell ring and everything just 632 00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,129 disappeared 633 00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:36,960 it seemed as though time was distorted 634 00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:39,820 so it could have been longer than about 635 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:44,409 a 15-minute period but we don't know so 636 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:50,799 that that's the just of the actual case 637 00:29:59,070 --> 00:29:55,690 in a nutshell the most beautiful thing 638 00:30:03,049 --> 00:29:59,080 that I find out of the whole case is the 639 00:30:06,869 --> 00:30:03,059 diversity is the human connection behind 640 00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:06,879 aerial school we were all diverse we 641 00:30:11,639 --> 00:30:08,529 were all from different backgrounds we 642 00:30:15,930 --> 00:30:11,649 were all from different races and 643 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:15,940 religions you know so for me there's a 644 00:30:21,690 --> 00:30:19,450 human connection to the whole thing and 645 00:30:25,649 --> 00:30:21,700 I'm not really aware of any other cases 646 00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:25,659 that are so diverse you know and it's a 647 00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:28,360 beautiful thing to think that a life 648 00:30:34,109 --> 00:30:32,080 forms from another planet visited a 649 00:30:37,590 --> 00:30:34,119 group of children which are the future 650 00:30:42,029 --> 00:30:37,600 of the planet and you know communicated 651 00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:42,039 to such a diverse group hmm yeah I'm I 652 00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:43,809 can fill in a little bit too if you want 653 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:46,600 go ahead yeah yeah just for the audience 654 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:48,730 I mean this happened in Africa in 655 00:30:59,789 --> 00:30:55,450 Zimbabwe in a very rural area in in a in 656 00:31:01,889 --> 00:30:59,799 very much farm a farm Ariens and Emily's 657 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:01,899 right that the farmers all got together 658 00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:07,809 and created this school and yeah this 659 00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:10,720 event was you know primarily at the 660 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:13,120 eriell primary school but but it was 661 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:17,140 also witnessed outside of that in the in 662 00:31:21,899 --> 00:31:19,450 that whole during that whole week period 663 00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:21,909 of time so just to give people a little 664 00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:24,520 idea so you know one of the things that 665 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:28,120 fascinated me was that it took place in 666 00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:33,520 Africa in in such a rural area and that 667 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:35,590 there were so many witnesses to this 668 00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:38,080 event and it's and it literally you know 669 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:41,470 it did go primetime initially when it 670 00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:43,929 happened and then it disappeared until I 671 00:31:50,779 --> 00:31:47,860 picked it up in 2008 really yeah Wow 672 00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:50,789 yeah so while we're speaking with you 673 00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:55,030 Randall what what actually kicked into 674 00:32:03,470 --> 00:31:59,640 gear this this this is a big project and 675 00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,750 well I you know the more I found out the 676 00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:09,760 more I was like wow this is uh I think 677 00:32:15,060 --> 00:32:12,630 it really happened with finding the kids 678 00:32:17,789 --> 00:32:15,070 going to the school finding it was still 679 00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:17,799 there in a way and then going back again 680 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:21,340 and again but also going all over the 681 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:26,080 world talking to the these witnesses I 682 00:32:33,299 --> 00:32:31,320 spent a long time in the beginning 683 00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:33,309 interviewing witnesses that had seen 684 00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:35,380 that we're not part of the aerial school 685 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:37,960 but we're around the area to sort of get 686 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:42,370 a sense of what they had seen and again 687 00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:46,390 I was struck by their you know their 688 00:32:53,970 --> 00:32:50,799 their candor and honesty and but I think 689 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:53,980 when it was the the kids also moated 690 00:33:00,419 --> 00:32:57,970 motivated me to carry on and also once I 691 00:33:04,289 --> 00:33:00,429 started interviewing the reporters that 692 00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:04,299 covered the the scene I was amazed 693 00:33:08,010 --> 00:33:05,830 because they had kept everything that 694 00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:08,020 you know had happened during that day 695 00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,700 they kept all the tapes all their notes 696 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:11,919 because they they thought it was really 697 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:15,250 a significant event and you know 698 00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:17,890 listening to them the different 699 00:33:23,220 --> 00:33:21,580 reporters that was impressive to to me 700 00:33:24,330 --> 00:33:23,230 and motivated me even further I mean all 701 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:24,340 along the way 702 00:33:29,550 --> 00:33:26,170 every time I get it got in a new piece 703 00:33:33,390 --> 00:33:29,560 of archival footage from 1994 I was 704 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:33,400 remote evaded and and you know the end 705 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:38,050 goal was really to just get this story 706 00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,170 told right you know tell the story as it 707 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:43,360 happened and by the people it happened 708 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:46,810 to I chose not to narrate because I just 709 00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,670 felt like it's a much difficult more 710 00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:50,320 difficult path to take as a filmmaker 711 00:33:56,130 --> 00:33:52,870 but it's I think it's more authentic 712 00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:56,140 because it comes from comes from the 713 00:34:02,640 --> 00:33:59,050 people themselves so yeah it has been it 714 00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:02,650 has been quite a journey and and the 715 00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:05,040 film is finally done which is great 716 00:34:10,170 --> 00:34:07,480 we're just right now working on the 717 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:10,180 distribution and getting it out into the 718 00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:11,770 world now I 719 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:15,190 I've been asked probably you know how 720 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:16,450 many times I've been asked we've talked 721 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:19,710 about this people are constantly asking 722 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:25,450 me when when and where we any closer to 723 00:34:30,210 --> 00:34:27,040 being able to answer either one of those 724 00:34:31,830 --> 00:34:30,220 questions well I think yeah I mean the 725 00:34:35,370 --> 00:34:31,840 film was completed that's not the issue 726 00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:35,380 right now is distribution and we're in 727 00:34:41,340 --> 00:34:38,560 talks with some people now and but again 728 00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:41,350 once that those conversation has to have 729 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:43,540 have to take place to make that and they 730 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:45,610 have their part of that decision on as 731 00:34:51,330 --> 00:34:47,530 far as the release time whether it fits 732 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:51,340 in their slot when that slot is whether 733 00:34:56,220 --> 00:34:52,690 there's going to be a world premiere 734 00:34:59,880 --> 00:34:56,230 which likely there will be but I have to 735 00:35:03,210 --> 00:34:59,890 go through this process to get those to 736 00:35:06,020 --> 00:35:03,220 nail down those times so it's it's 737 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:06,030 coming it's coming soon it's completed 738 00:35:11,550 --> 00:35:09,490 it's really good I hate to say that when 739 00:35:13,170 --> 00:35:11,560 it's your own work but it's not just in 740 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,180 my work it's been the work of the crew 741 00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:16,960 it's been the work of the kids at Ariel 742 00:35:22,670 --> 00:35:20,140 and the school and teachers and Judy and 743 00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:22,680 so many other so many people have been 744 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:27,280 just amazingly talented and skilled and 745 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:30,250 dedicated to to getting this film out 746 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:33,730 and you had someone pretty important 747 00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:36,970 actually watch this and comment on it 748 00:35:39,370 --> 00:35:37,940 argue 749 00:35:41,950 --> 00:35:39,380 I'm not sure if you were able to reach 750 00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:41,960 him and see if you could use use his 751 00:35:48,010 --> 00:35:45,980 name or not yet yeah but we you know we 752 00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:48,020 we were starting to one of the things 753 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:49,400 we're doing now is getting testimonials 754 00:35:54,609 --> 00:35:51,170 we're sending it to some very famous 755 00:35:58,270 --> 00:35:54,619 people and well-known people and we're 756 00:36:00,640 --> 00:35:58,280 starting to get those testimonials herbs 757 00:36:02,799 --> 00:36:00,650 from them about how they feel about the 758 00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:02,809 film but we've yeah we've we've 759 00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:05,660 definitely we have several very famous 760 00:36:10,809 --> 00:36:08,900 people who have commented on the film 761 00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:10,819 and sent us really great emails but 762 00:36:16,180 --> 00:36:13,400 we're not allowed yet to use that the 763 00:36:17,710 --> 00:36:16,190 quote you know where they haven't 764 00:36:20,380 --> 00:36:17,720 narrowed down the exact quote that they 765 00:36:23,380 --> 00:36:20,390 want to share but we just heard heard 766 00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:23,390 from Dan Aykroyd again today and another 767 00:36:29,980 --> 00:36:25,960 man Greg Mark Kelly's very well known 768 00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:29,990 publicist in advertising and for 769 00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:33,440 Hollywood he's fantastic and yeah so 770 00:36:38,589 --> 00:36:36,980 we've been getting those testimonials in 771 00:36:42,339 --> 00:36:38,599 what's really helped with the 772 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,349 distribution side too so it's it's been 773 00:36:47,049 --> 00:36:44,000 a switch for me from going from the 774 00:36:49,059 --> 00:36:47,059 creative storytelling side to now I'm a 775 00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:49,069 businessman yeah you know what I mean 776 00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:52,880 right and I have to you know take my hat 777 00:36:58,450 --> 00:36:56,119 and change my hat you know and focus on 778 00:37:00,940 --> 00:36:58,460 that but but it's coming it's and and 779 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:00,950 believe me if there's nobody else more 780 00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:03,890 than me myself that wants it to be out 781 00:37:09,220 --> 00:37:06,440 into the world because I I'm just aware 782 00:37:13,299 --> 00:37:09,230 of how this will affect will affect 783 00:37:16,420 --> 00:37:13,309 people I mean we can't end yes of course 784 00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:16,430 absolutely right and affect affect the 785 00:37:22,750 --> 00:37:19,520 kids absolutely and and to be able to 786 00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:22,760 share their story it's really important 787 00:37:31,089 --> 00:37:27,200 and and absolutely I feel like this in a 788 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:31,099 big way this too for me this is a gift 789 00:37:33,789 --> 00:37:32,450 to the kids that were there and the 790 00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,799 people that were there and the teachers 791 00:37:36,670 --> 00:37:35,119 that were there and the other witnesses 792 00:37:39,069 --> 00:37:36,680 that were around there the pilots that 793 00:37:41,859 --> 00:37:39,079 were in the air to tell the story like 794 00:37:43,690 --> 00:37:41,869 coz and I think that will probably be 795 00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:43,700 the most appreciated by the people that 796 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:46,520 were there because of the hard work that 797 00:37:51,579 --> 00:37:48,770 got went into it to actually find out 798 00:37:56,259 --> 00:37:51,589 what the story was you know not 799 00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:56,269 just you know the the event itself but 800 00:38:00,339 --> 00:37:57,890 what led up to the event and what 801 00:38:02,650 --> 00:38:00,349 happened after the event and and the 802 00:38:06,370 --> 00:38:02,660 human impact of of it because this is 803 00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,380 really this is a story about people it's 804 00:38:11,289 --> 00:38:08,960 not about special effects or woowoo 805 00:38:14,739 --> 00:38:11,299 stuff it's it's a it's about something 806 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:14,749 serious that occurred and how people 807 00:38:20,769 --> 00:38:17,210 dealt with it and have struggled with it 808 00:38:23,289 --> 00:38:20,779 and how it changed their lives right 809 00:38:30,729 --> 00:38:23,299 yeah well I wait by my mailbox every day 810 00:38:34,450 --> 00:38:30,739 looking for the video I haven't yeah 811 00:38:37,779 --> 00:38:34,460 Emily one thing that you said in your 812 00:38:40,229 --> 00:38:37,789 story I just I just want to I mean it 813 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:40,239 really hit me even though you said it so 814 00:38:48,459 --> 00:38:43,249 matter-of-factly was you were standing 815 00:38:51,069 --> 00:38:48,469 next to two beings to me that's like wow 816 00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:51,079 and I've talked to some more about this 817 00:38:59,140 --> 00:38:54,229 and I was just awestruck by what she 818 00:39:00,959 --> 00:38:59,150 said and the telepathic thing that 819 00:39:04,989 --> 00:39:00,969 you're talking about it does make sense 820 00:39:06,819 --> 00:39:04,999 first of all that schoolchildren are are 821 00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:06,829 witnessing these has been a number of 822 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:11,089 cases because of the message to pass to 823 00:39:16,029 --> 00:39:14,089 the young ones that are going to carry 824 00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:16,039 on in the future you know protect the 825 00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,200 planet and boy we see signs of that 826 00:39:23,410 --> 00:39:21,200 right now we were possibly in big 827 00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:23,420 trouble with what's going on climate 828 00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:24,499 wise 829 00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:27,680 can you describe do you remember I know 830 00:39:31,989 --> 00:39:29,569 you were only in the third grade but can 831 00:39:37,209 --> 00:39:31,999 you remember what the beings look like 832 00:39:38,140 --> 00:39:37,219 can you describe those please yeah well 833 00:39:39,789 --> 00:39:38,150 I mean it is 834 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:39,799 I was talking to Randall about this 835 00:39:44,229 --> 00:39:42,650 yesterday and I think all of us are 836 00:39:46,420 --> 00:39:44,239 gonna have a bit of a different 837 00:39:50,349 --> 00:39:46,430 depiction but very similar in their 838 00:39:52,569 --> 00:39:50,359 attributes just based on being human and 839 00:39:54,969 --> 00:39:52,579 you know I I used the description as 840 00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,979 like beauty is in the eye of the 841 00:40:00,130 --> 00:39:56,960 beholder you know so we're all gonna 842 00:40:03,819 --> 00:40:00,140 have kind of slight differences and that 843 00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:03,829 makes it real they they were kind of 844 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:05,220 reflective in there 845 00:40:10,819 --> 00:40:07,140 so there was a bit of a luminosity to 846 00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:10,829 them large black eyes like elongated 847 00:40:19,339 --> 00:40:17,160 head like in enlarged heads very longer 848 00:40:24,670 --> 00:40:19,349 thinner necks not to month but longer 849 00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:24,680 thinner Knicks their limbs were more 850 00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,660 Quincy almost and they were they were 851 00:40:31,370 --> 00:40:29,280 hovering they weren't actually touching 852 00:40:34,510 --> 00:40:31,380 the ground and I described them with a 853 00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:34,520 little bit of sleight of a potbelly I 854 00:40:41,690 --> 00:40:37,940 don't know if that means anything but 855 00:40:46,099 --> 00:40:41,700 that's that's what they looked like and 856 00:40:51,020 --> 00:40:46,109 it was slightly like if you were to use 857 00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:51,030 an animal as a description the skin was 858 00:40:59,780 --> 00:40:56,280 like a reptile skin but luminous with 859 00:41:03,079 --> 00:40:59,790 like an iridescent to it Wow I remember 860 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:03,089 when I spoke to Salma and she said that 861 00:41:06,740 --> 00:41:04,650 she thought they almost looked like 862 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:06,750 porcelain in a way did you have any of 863 00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:08,970 that thought I mean now that you look 864 00:41:14,420 --> 00:41:11,670 back at it well like they were 865 00:41:16,910 --> 00:41:14,430 reflective to me so there was like a 866 00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:16,920 would be for me I would describe it as 867 00:41:24,589 --> 00:41:20,760 more light because if this event 868 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:24,599 happened in the day so I when I 869 00:41:32,030 --> 00:41:26,660 described it as more of like a 870 00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:32,040 luminosity and an iridescent it would be 871 00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:35,910 like taking a fabric and creating a 872 00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:39,900 different sheen on the fabric so their 873 00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:46,310 skin to me reflected the light I see and 874 00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,740 when when you got the telepathic message 875 00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:54,720 can you describe what that was like I 876 00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:56,970 mean it's just really hard to picture 877 00:42:04,339 --> 00:42:00,599 how you know how something happens 878 00:42:06,620 --> 00:42:04,349 telepathically yeah well you know I 879 00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:06,630 don't know it's difficult these days 880 00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:08,780 because we're we're doing things like 881 00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,430 transferring consciousness into robots 882 00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:13,760 and you know we have all these kind of 883 00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:17,310 advancements in our technology you know 884 00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:18,660 that eight 885 00:42:29,779 --> 00:42:25,079 it's like a neural link so you how I 886 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:29,789 describe it is if the you're immediately 887 00:42:36,259 --> 00:42:32,880 immersed in the connection with the eye 888 00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:36,269 and it's almost this little the eyes 889 00:42:44,660 --> 00:42:41,400 create this neural link with you and 890 00:42:49,279 --> 00:42:44,670 then it was just like seeing a slideshow 891 00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:49,289 of images run across your mind like you 892 00:42:55,690 --> 00:42:54,720 would in a dream but happening in real 893 00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:55,700 time 894 00:43:02,329 --> 00:42:59,339 Wow did you talk to other you know 895 00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,339 children around you afterwards I know 896 00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,319 you said you spoke to your friend but 897 00:43:10,329 --> 00:43:06,720 would you say that they were getting the 898 00:43:13,819 --> 00:43:10,339 same messages or just similar messages I 899 00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,829 think we all had a similar comprehension 900 00:43:19,609 --> 00:43:15,680 Randall's might have a bit more 901 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:19,619 understanding on that I didn't have very 902 00:43:25,789 --> 00:43:21,930 much time to spend with the students 903 00:43:31,099 --> 00:43:25,799 after the event happened my family and I 904 00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:31,109 moved very soon after the event so a lot 905 00:43:35,900 --> 00:43:32,910 of the other kids got more of an 906 00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:35,910 opportunity to discuss it whereas 907 00:43:41,539 --> 00:43:37,680 because we were missionaries we had 908 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:41,549 moved back to Canada and so I didn't 909 00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:44,130 really have that time spent with the 910 00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:46,500 other children to really go over and 911 00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:49,529 discuss that and to be honest the 912 00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:51,329 teachers kind of wanted things to go 913 00:43:57,049 --> 00:43:54,839 back to normal so we've got to work as 914 00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:57,059 usual you know because our main focus 915 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:01,079 was gaining education right so they 916 00:44:06,859 --> 00:44:03,210 tried to normalize the situation for us 917 00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,869 as much as possible and but Randall 918 00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:09,440 would have Randall would have a bit more 919 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:12,359 insight into hearing all the other 920 00:44:17,299 --> 00:44:15,210 testimonies yeah I could say like you 921 00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:17,309 know it seemed like the people the 922 00:44:23,390 --> 00:44:18,630 children that were there that were 923 00:44:25,549 --> 00:44:23,400 closest to to this creature that had 924 00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:25,559 direct eye contact with it it seemed to 925 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:27,390 have had some type of telepathic 926 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,650 communication I can't say that it was 927 00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:32,400 everybody 928 00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:38,099 but I there were several several and you 929 00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:40,950 know it is it is very different I think 930 00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:44,670 the message was the same but again like 931 00:44:52,180 --> 00:44:47,190 people do everybody was in a different 932 00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:52,190 place and uh they're you know what their 933 00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:55,190 background was their education or their 934 00:45:03,410 --> 00:44:58,430 religious beliefs I mean I think inter 935 00:45:08,049 --> 00:45:03,420 you know affected what what occurred in 936 00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:08,059 their interpretation of it yeah I think 937 00:45:13,759 --> 00:45:11,190 you know when the kids once once 938 00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:13,769 everything slowed down the kids 100 kids 939 00:45:21,769 --> 00:45:17,400 ran into the school screaming because 940 00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:21,779 after it all left they they were pretty 941 00:45:26,749 --> 00:45:25,230 terrified for the most part and went 942 00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:26,759 into the school screaming and the 943 00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:28,609 teachers didn't know what to do really 944 00:45:36,529 --> 00:45:32,460 and had them draw which was one of the 945 00:45:38,989 --> 00:45:36,539 wisest things they did because of the 946 00:45:41,529 --> 00:45:38,999 parents were so you know their children 947 00:45:47,470 --> 00:45:41,539 came home that day saying they saw a 948 00:45:51,859 --> 00:45:47,480 craft and and alien creatures so they 949 00:45:57,140 --> 00:45:51,869 you know they the school had to act you 950 00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:57,150 know because of the parents so but yeah 951 00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,599 I think what I've heard from Emily and 952 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:02,960 several other people and also 953 00:46:07,819 --> 00:46:05,970 independently other people that have had 954 00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:07,829 contact with these things it's a very 955 00:46:15,979 --> 00:46:13,079 similar type of series of events that 956 00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:15,989 take place and this seems to be one of 957 00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,319 them not always but I'm from several 958 00:46:25,370 --> 00:46:21,839 other people from other other cases that 959 00:46:28,009 --> 00:46:25,380 I've talked to it's not uncommon how did 960 00:46:29,329 --> 00:46:28,019 this how did this story leak out how did 961 00:46:33,229 --> 00:46:29,339 the press get ahold of this to begin 962 00:46:37,249 --> 00:46:33,239 with do you know yeah the BBC reporter 963 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:37,259 from England he was stationed in 964 00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:42,930 Zimbabwe at the time and he basically it 965 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:46,500 was him and along with Cynthia 966 00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:50,490 who was a MUFON investigator and two 967 00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:53,070 other reporters in Africa who really 968 00:47:00,440 --> 00:46:57,300 broke the story and then john mack came 969 00:47:02,510 --> 00:47:00,450 along a little little later and then 970 00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:02,520 that was the story was brought over to 971 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:04,260 the United States because up until that 972 00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:07,050 point it was just a story in Europe and 973 00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,220 Africa is that right well mm-hmm and how 974 00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:14,160 long after this happened to John Mack 975 00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,460 jump on a plane and get out there he was 976 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:19,980 out there a couple months after it had 977 00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:22,530 occurred yeah a couple of months and 978 00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,020 yeah do you think in a way that was too 979 00:47:29,770 --> 00:47:26,640 long or do you think that the children 980 00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:29,780 had a really good you know where they 981 00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,390 was still fresh do you think oh it's 982 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:36,720 fresh I think with events like this that 983 00:47:48,830 --> 00:47:42,770 I've seen it's it doesn't really fade I 984 00:47:51,530 --> 00:47:48,840 I think he I think it allowed the kids 985 00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:51,540 you know for them to settle a little bit 986 00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:54,060 into themselves and what they had 987 00:47:58,220 --> 00:47:56,430 experienced when he came because again 988 00:48:01,930 --> 00:47:58,230 he brought a totally different element 989 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:01,940 of being a child psychiatrist and 990 00:48:07,870 --> 00:48:04,290 psychoanalyst so he brought a lot of 991 00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:07,880 skills into those interviews that right 992 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:10,980 came so it was a very broad in something 993 00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:12,930 completely different that really brought 994 00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:15,780 out a lot of things that nobody nobody 995 00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:18,060 thought to ask before that you know 996 00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:22,380 right was he was anyone else 997 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:29,730 interviewing these kids prior to him you 998 00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:34,770 mean at in 1994 yes yes there were the 999 00:48:42,620 --> 00:48:39,260 BBC and Cynthia Hine from MUFON and then 1000 00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:42,630 two other reporters one from Zed BC and 1001 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:43,950 the other one from South African 1002 00:48:50,540 --> 00:48:47,130 Broadcasting yeah well and then and then 1003 00:48:53,540 --> 00:48:50,550 after even after john mack came there 1004 00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:53,550 were two or three others that came and 1005 00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:55,500 interviewed the kids so what's amazing 1006 00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:58,920 about this - people don't know is the 1007 00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:00,420 consistency of the report 1008 00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:03,600 throughout time I mean this wouldn't be 1009 00:49:08,660 --> 00:49:07,110 a story if those reporters didn't do the 1010 00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:08,670 interviews you know we would we wouldn't 1011 00:49:16,130 --> 00:49:12,420 have those interviews and and the record 1012 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:16,140 of them dirt you know right immediately 1013 00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:19,170 after the incident and then two weeks 1014 00:49:23,170 --> 00:49:20,940 later and then two weeks later and then 1015 00:49:25,490 --> 00:49:23,180 to a month and a half later and then 1016 00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:25,500 another three months later and then 1017 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:27,480 another two years later and then today 1018 00:49:33,860 --> 00:49:30,450 and that the it's remarkably consistent 1019 00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:33,870 throughout you know it's like one 1020 00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,940 person's you know how could people keep 1021 00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:37,680 this to if it was a made-up story how 1022 00:49:44,090 --> 00:49:41,400 could it be held together so well over 1023 00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:44,100 so much time we haven't gone we have to 1024 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:45,780 go to break and just sit here in just a 1025 00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:47,850 minute but right before break though we 1026 00:49:52,610 --> 00:49:49,980 have just like 25 seconds or something 1027 00:50:00,380 --> 00:49:52,620 like that how many hours of footage did 1028 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:00,390 you look through 600 hours of yeah so 1029 00:50:06,830 --> 00:50:02,730 enormous amount of footage that has been 1030 00:50:09,770 --> 00:50:06,840 whittled down to an hour and 40 so it's 1031 00:50:12,110 --> 00:50:09,780 uh yeah it's it's it was an enormous 1032 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:12,120 enormous task in that most most 1033 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:13,530 documentaries you have a hundred hours 1034 00:50:19,970 --> 00:50:17,490 of footage or 200 hours 600 and 600 good 1035 00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:19,980 hours of footage was really really 1036 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:23,280 difficult to get through but we did it 1037 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:25,290 Wow and it's really good so we have a 1038 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:26,610 lot of extra footage 1039 00:50:32,030 --> 00:50:29,490 for after the film comes out - all right 1040 00:50:34,910 --> 00:50:32,040 well stay tuned everyone we're gonna go 1041 00:50:35,930 --> 00:50:34,920 into Emily this this questions are this 1042 00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:35,940 questions for you we're going to be 1043 00:50:40,940 --> 00:50:39,000 taking calls later on I love some calls 1044 00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:40,950 to come in and just please be respectful 1045 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:43,890 to the to the guests when you do call I 1046 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:47,330 now announce that number later on Emily 1047 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:51,690 which you overall say if you reflect 1048 00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:53,730 back on this and where your life is now 1049 00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:56,310 would you say that this was a positive 1050 00:51:05,570 --> 00:51:00,480 or more of a negative experience in your 1051 00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:05,580 life I think it's been a little 1052 00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:09,300 combination of both the event itself I 1053 00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:12,960 think the best way I can describe it is 1054 00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:14,310 you 1055 00:51:18,170 --> 00:51:16,680 experience a bit of fear because it's 1056 00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:18,180 something unknown that you've never seen 1057 00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:20,190 before which is a normal human reaction 1058 00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:23,150 in response to anything that you haven't 1059 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:28,350 experienced before I guess for me Ariel 1060 00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:32,370 has been there's been a lot of 1061 00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:34,950 psychological that's occurred so ice had 1062 00:51:42,020 --> 00:51:36,360 some ups and downs with the whole 1063 00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:42,030 experience just as I protest it I don't 1064 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:43,500 see it as a negative I see it as a 1065 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:48,090 positive I mean more open-minded to I 1066 00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:50,700 guess comprehension of how I fit in in 1067 00:52:01,730 --> 00:51:54,980 this world you know as an experiencer 1068 00:52:04,340 --> 00:52:01,740 and you know I think I see beauty I like 1069 00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,350 to see the garden situation so I don't 1070 00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:06,000 see it as a negative I don't see it as 1071 00:52:15,050 --> 00:52:10,160 aliens debating or anything your solar 1072 00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:15,060 yeah so I see it as a positive a lot of 1073 00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:20,040 people will talk about like I don't want 1074 00:52:23,380 --> 00:52:21,600 to sound too fringy or anything like 1075 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:23,390 that a lot of people will talk about 1076 00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:25,530 abilities that they think they have 1077 00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:29,160 gained from these experiences do you 1078 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:31,830 have anything that you think that may 1079 00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:34,050 you may have gained besides of what you 1080 00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:40,790 I gained a whole profile of artwork 1081 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:42,750 which I find to be quite a blessing I 1082 00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:47,040 paint for my subconscious and I find my 1083 00:52:56,210 --> 00:52:52,080 work to be fascinating because for me I 1084 00:52:59,300 --> 00:52:56,220 I get to see the analysis of her I mean 1085 00:53:04,040 --> 00:52:59,310 the experiences it's a trauma so it 1086 00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:04,050 imprints on your brain so if you see the 1087 00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:06,830 analysis of what actually comes out 1088 00:53:14,210 --> 00:53:10,380 through my art and I think that's a 1089 00:53:16,850 --> 00:53:14,220 blessing and a beauty I I agree I 1090 00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:16,860 actually have seen your artwork you post 1091 00:53:21,230 --> 00:53:18,720 a lot of it online I've seen it in 1092 00:53:25,820 --> 00:53:21,240 person too and you have some really 1093 00:53:27,710 --> 00:53:25,830 interesting pieces really I really like 1094 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:27,720 a lot of beautiful 1095 00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:29,730 it's really really very very creative 1096 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:32,940 and and some of its very intense which 1097 00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:38,010 should not be a surprise I think yeah 1098 00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:39,089 and I don't want to sound like I'm 1099 00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,460 biased or you know because it's my work 1100 00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:43,920 but I I just think it's fascinating and 1101 00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,270 if you're interested in arts if you're 1102 00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:48,720 interested in psychology hearing you 1103 00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,390 know trauma mental health all those 1104 00:53:57,140 --> 00:53:54,000 kinds of things you know and sci-fi and 1105 00:54:00,140 --> 00:53:57,150 you know a true story I think you know 1106 00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:00,150 check it out Emily have you had to 1107 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:04,079 battle skeptics at all I try not to 1108 00:54:10,220 --> 00:54:08,730 focus on that um you know you're gonna 1109 00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:10,230 have people that don't believe and 1110 00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:13,200 that's okay you know if you can just 1111 00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:15,480 speak your truth and be honest with 1112 00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:16,559 yourself I think that's the most 1113 00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:20,460 important thing you know I stay grounded 1114 00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,010 my family is the most important thing to 1115 00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:24,960 me you know the people that are close to 1116 00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:28,740 me I'm not wanting to want to push 1117 00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:31,319 anything on anybody I never have and so 1118 00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:34,619 I think it's just more valuable to share 1119 00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:37,859 the human connection behind all of this 1120 00:54:45,319 --> 00:54:40,799 so that I find that for tangible for 1121 00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,329 people to digest and and I find people 1122 00:54:50,750 --> 00:54:47,760 become a bit more open-minded when you 1123 00:54:55,370 --> 00:54:50,760 speak from your heart and your truth 1124 00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:55,380 right I agree with you there when go 1125 00:54:59,180 --> 00:54:56,940 ahead Randy did you have something you 1126 00:55:00,980 --> 00:54:59,190 wanted to add to that yeah I just I just 1127 00:55:03,380 --> 00:55:00,990 think that you know you mentioned you 1128 00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:03,390 were talking about with Alejandro how 1129 00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:05,430 things have changed quite a bit in the 1130 00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:08,609 last two years since a lot of release of 1131 00:55:15,309 --> 00:55:12,660 information the Navy incidents etc you 1132 00:55:20,690 --> 00:55:15,319 know people have gone through a lot of 1133 00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:20,700 ridicule and and and you know difficulty 1134 00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:22,950 you know being able to even talk about 1135 00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:27,000 it I know many people who have shared 1136 00:55:31,339 --> 00:55:29,520 things with me that they will not share 1137 00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:31,349 publicly you know the things that they 1138 00:55:38,029 --> 00:55:34,049 have seen or experienced because of the 1139 00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:38,039 fear of being ridiculed and I and I 1140 00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:39,480 really hope that's going to change 1141 00:55:44,509 --> 00:55:41,640 because of how 1142 00:55:46,910 --> 00:55:44,519 important this subject is to all of us 1143 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:46,920 not just any individual this has to do 1144 00:55:55,849 --> 00:55:49,490 with every single person on the planet 1145 00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:55,859 and I'm hoping that that you know these 1146 00:55:59,900 --> 00:55:58,260 people who have not had a voice and 1147 00:56:04,160 --> 00:55:59,910 there are thousands and thousands of 1148 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:04,170 them most of them are silent can have 1149 00:56:09,140 --> 00:56:06,450 their their say and have their voice 1150 00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:09,150 about something that clearly profoundly 1151 00:56:14,180 --> 00:56:11,940 impacted them and and really does again 1152 00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:14,190 have to do with every single human being 1153 00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:17,640 on this planet already what do you hope 1154 00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:19,859 the audience is going to get out of this 1155 00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:26,400 film I think you know we had a screening 1156 00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,940 a test screening for the crew and had a 1157 00:56:34,579 --> 00:56:32,640 few guests with us and in a full-size 1158 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:34,589 theater and it looked fantastic but what 1159 00:56:38,329 --> 00:56:36,450 was really striking and this has 1160 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:38,339 happened in other screenings are the 1161 00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:41,970 people that are in tears how it hits 1162 00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:45,839 them and I guess part of that is some of 1163 00:56:50,779 --> 00:56:47,910 that is people that have gone through 1164 00:56:53,299 --> 00:56:50,789 their own experiences but there were 1165 00:56:55,819 --> 00:56:53,309 people there that you know had nothing 1166 00:56:59,269 --> 00:56:55,829 to do or we're not interested in this 1167 00:57:02,529 --> 00:56:59,279 topic at all but the struggle and the 1168 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:02,539 journey that the characters go through 1169 00:57:09,859 --> 00:57:07,410 in this film are universal you know 1170 00:57:13,579 --> 00:57:09,869 they're they're universal stories that 1171 00:57:17,779 --> 00:57:13,589 anybody can relate to and that's I think 1172 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:17,789 the magic of it and I think people will 1173 00:57:25,009 --> 00:57:22,170 take away like many have that have seen 1174 00:57:27,259 --> 00:57:25,019 it recently that you know they have to 1175 00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:27,269 sit for about 20 minutes to really take 1176 00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:33,200 it in but I think it really shows how 1177 00:57:39,339 --> 00:57:35,730 these are real people that go through 1178 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:39,349 these things and that was the goal and 1179 00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:42,930 you can see that throughout the film the 1180 00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:47,099 honesty and the reality throughout from 1181 00:57:51,249 --> 00:57:49,200 these people and just just plain honesty 1182 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:51,259 and you can see that 1183 00:57:58,269 --> 00:57:55,650 so the takeaway I think is hopefully to 1184 00:58:01,700 --> 00:57:58,279 open people's minds a little more and 1185 00:58:05,329 --> 00:58:01,710 realize that all kinds of people have 1186 00:58:07,789 --> 00:58:05,339 been affected by this and that people 1187 00:58:10,579 --> 00:58:07,799 should be heard out you know this this 1188 00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:10,589 is it's a big risk for a lot of people 1189 00:58:17,319 --> 00:58:14,400 to come up come forward about this all 1190 00:58:22,180 --> 00:58:17,329 these kids have taken a risk you know 1191 00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:22,190 from Mariel and so many others and I 1192 00:58:27,559 --> 00:58:25,619 hope and I think that we're the times 1193 00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:27,569 are changing where we can actually have 1194 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:30,839 a grown-up conversation about this you 1195 00:58:37,969 --> 00:58:33,930 know yeah all right I think you and I 1196 00:58:40,999 --> 00:58:37,979 had a conversation oh I don't know a 1197 00:58:43,759 --> 00:58:41,009 while back and I said without you even 1198 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:43,769 realizing it the reason you this film 1199 00:58:48,019 --> 00:58:45,930 has taken so long because now is it's 1200 00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:48,029 time to come out because people are 1201 00:58:54,049 --> 00:58:51,150 taking it more serious and and you know 1202 00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,059 would you say it's been seven or eight 1203 00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:56,819 years now we met in North Carolina quite 1204 00:58:59,410 --> 00:58:58,710 a few years ago and you were working on 1205 00:59:03,620 --> 00:58:59,420 it then 1206 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:03,630 yeah no it's taken ten years and Wow 1207 00:59:09,469 --> 00:59:07,170 in years yeah and I I don't feel I you 1208 00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:09,479 know I've left the the I've got just 1209 00:59:14,839 --> 00:59:12,089 trusted that this film would come out 1210 00:59:16,729 --> 00:59:14,849 when it needed to come out and I believe 1211 00:59:20,479 --> 00:59:16,739 me there's not been a day where I had 1212 00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:20,489 not been working on this film and it's 1213 00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:25,249 been an awful awfully long haul and 1214 00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:28,140 getting funding all the all the other 1215 00:59:35,779 --> 00:59:31,920 things people know nothing about but you 1216 00:59:39,259 --> 00:59:35,789 know ten years for a film is you know I 1217 00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:39,269 had many opportunities to stop it where 1218 00:59:45,469 --> 00:59:41,849 it was and release it but I feel 1219 00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:45,479 completely satisfied where it is now 1220 00:59:53,539 --> 00:59:50,729 it's it's it's at a it's at a very high 1221 00:59:59,150 --> 00:59:53,549 level of storytelling and picture and 1222 01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:59,160 sound and yeah I feel you know I've gone 1223 01:00:04,009 --> 01:00:01,410 through it several times over and over 1224 01:00:06,499 --> 01:00:04,019 and over and over a thousand I'll be a 1225 01:00:09,590 --> 01:00:06,509 thousand times and to get it right 1226 01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:09,600 because I I feel like you know it's a 1227 01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:12,180 this is one story and I feel like this 1228 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:15,900 is the the the story that'll last 1229 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:18,450 throughout history because it's it is 1230 01:00:22,220 --> 01:00:20,610 the it is the actual story from 1231 01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:22,230 beginning to end by the people that were 1232 01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:23,220 there 1233 01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:28,740 I personally my opinion is the best part 1234 01:00:32,750 --> 01:00:31,380 of this movie is seeing the children 1235 01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:32,760 during the event 1236 01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:35,520 seeing snippets from that time and then 1237 01:00:40,460 --> 01:00:38,880 seeing them today and and having them 1238 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:40,470 talk about it today I think that's the 1239 01:00:45,230 --> 01:00:42,330 most important part in my opinion of 1240 01:00:48,530 --> 01:00:45,240 this film and I want to just ask you 1241 01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:48,540 about that you know in regards to how in 1242 01:00:54,740 --> 01:00:50,310 heck did you find all these witnesses 1243 01:00:57,530 --> 01:00:54,750 and what lengths did you go to well that 1244 01:00:59,240 --> 01:00:57,540 was I found all the witnesses starting 1245 01:01:01,940 --> 01:00:59,250 at the aerial school because I got all 1246 01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:01,950 as much information as I could when I 1247 01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:05,310 first got there in a way and spent nine 1248 01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:06,890 months driving around the country 1249 01:01:14,540 --> 01:01:09,750 finding some of these people and you 1250 01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:14,550 know that Zimbabwe was in chaos at that 1251 01:01:21,980 --> 01:01:19,040 time and a lot of the students after 95 1252 01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:21,990 the politics in Zimbabwe started to go 1253 01:01:28,580 --> 01:01:25,340 south and a lot of the white farmers and 1254 01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:28,590 other people started to leave the 1255 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:30,780 country so I had to start tracking 1256 01:01:35,420 --> 01:01:33,090 people down that were in Australia that 1257 01:01:42,130 --> 01:01:35,430 were in England that were all over the 1258 01:01:44,930 --> 01:01:42,140 world and so that was a journey for sure 1259 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:44,940 that took a lot of time and money to 1260 01:01:54,020 --> 01:01:50,610 just just make that happen and yeah I 1261 01:01:57,740 --> 01:01:54,030 just really appreciate that their help 1262 01:01:59,720 --> 01:01:57,750 and you know that they trusted me enough 1263 01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:59,730 to tell their story I mean that that's a 1264 01:02:05,060 --> 01:02:00,420 big deal 1265 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:05,070 I think yeah yeah when particularly on 1266 01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:07,650 this topic when you know people will 1267 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:09,330 trust you that you're going to do a good 1268 01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:11,610 job with their stories is a compliment 1269 01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:15,510 and I really honor the the trust that 1270 01:02:21,110 --> 01:02:18,900 people have given me to to do right and 1271 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:21,120 I really do feel like I've done it the 1272 01:02:25,700 --> 01:02:23,490 best possible like I could possibly do 1273 01:02:28,460 --> 01:02:25,710 with the help of my crew and everybody 1274 01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:28,470 else because I can't do these things 1275 01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:31,170 alone they're just too big yeah yeah 1276 01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:32,960 that's right 1277 01:02:38,990 --> 01:02:37,260 Emily just I just wanted to ask you one 1278 01:02:42,740 --> 01:02:39,000 more thing and then I'd like to offer 1279 01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:42,750 calls out there for people if they'd 1280 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:44,910 like to call in we'll talk about that 1281 01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:48,570 and just a second but emily has since 1282 01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:52,590 this has happened where there's media 1283 01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:54,660 now about this a lot more media than 1284 01:02:59,840 --> 01:02:57,480 because this movies upcoming and you 1285 01:03:03,050 --> 01:02:59,850 know the anniversary and all that on do 1286 01:03:06,530 --> 01:03:03,060 you get people contacting you through 1287 01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:06,540 Facebook or email about your experience 1288 01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:08,460 and you know in other words are you 1289 01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:11,220 getting kind of bugged by people you 1290 01:03:19,450 --> 01:03:13,980 know annoyed or do people respect your 1291 01:03:22,430 --> 01:03:19,460 privacy I mean for the most part I find 1292 01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:22,440 people just want to share when they hear 1293 01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:25,110 that they that I've been through 1294 01:03:31,310 --> 01:03:30,000 something and they've heard me speak for 1295 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:31,320 the most part people want to share their 1296 01:03:39,620 --> 01:03:37,650 experiences as well so I I you know I 1297 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:39,630 respect that because I know what it's 1298 01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:41,490 like to come forward and people want to 1299 01:03:48,020 --> 01:03:44,940 be heard and and that's I think what it 1300 01:03:49,790 --> 01:03:48,030 comes down to is that most people don't 1301 01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:49,800 talk about their experiences and when 1302 01:03:57,170 --> 01:03:53,460 they hear somebody come forward you know 1303 01:03:59,600 --> 01:03:57,180 and put their life we hear you putting 1304 01:04:02,320 --> 01:03:59,610 your life on them in jeopardy and you 1305 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:02,330 know in terms of credibility and your 1306 01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:04,770 psychiatric well-being and all these 1307 01:04:09,890 --> 01:04:06,750 kinds of different and you know 1308 01:04:14,050 --> 01:04:09,900 stereotypes that get put on you they 1309 01:04:20,090 --> 01:04:14,060 they just want to share with you and I 1310 01:04:24,380 --> 01:04:20,100 that you know so I mean not everybody 1311 01:04:26,150 --> 01:04:24,390 that comes to you is not always you know 1312 01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:26,160 there are some people that are out there 1313 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:28,500 and there are some people that really 1314 01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:32,850 respect and value the actual integrity 1315 01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:37,440 of what Ariel is all about you know 1316 01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:39,810 I just want to say that I think all the 1317 01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:42,150 students you know we didn't really 1318 01:04:49,099 --> 01:04:46,440 attach ourselves to UF ology and you 1319 01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:49,109 know we didn't do this for you know some 1320 01:04:55,069 --> 01:04:52,560 sort of and I claim you know I think he 1321 01:04:57,349 --> 01:04:55,079 does jeopardize your career in your 1322 01:04:59,960 --> 01:04:57,359 sanity and you know people question you 1323 01:05:02,540 --> 01:04:59,970 and all sorts of different things so 1324 01:05:06,020 --> 01:05:02,550 none of us did it for any other reason 1325 01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:06,030 is just I think most people can agree we 1326 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:08,089 want some closure to the whole event but 1327 01:05:13,970 --> 01:05:11,010 there have been other people that do 1328 01:05:17,260 --> 01:05:13,980 reach out I think a lot of my followers 1329 01:05:21,170 --> 01:05:17,270 on Instagram are you know interested in 1330 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:21,180 just the subject and the genuineness of 1331 01:05:28,790 --> 01:05:26,810 the you know reality of the subject 1332 01:05:32,809 --> 01:05:28,800 uh-huh 1333 01:05:36,380 --> 01:05:32,819 yes I've wondered I remember let's see 1334 01:05:40,460 --> 01:05:36,390 it was a few years ago when I had some 1335 01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,470 on and the video just the video alone 1336 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:42,960 never mind the podcast hit like 40,000 1337 01:05:48,589 --> 01:05:45,450 views or something like that and she was 1338 01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:48,599 contacted from all over the world I 1339 01:05:55,309 --> 01:05:52,470 don't know you know what I'm actually 1340 01:05:58,640 --> 01:05:55,319 getting at is once this film comes out 1341 01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:58,650 are you gonna be ready for that I don't 1342 01:06:04,430 --> 01:06:02,160 know I mean I wasn't ready when the day 1343 01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,440 you know the event happened there wasn't 1344 01:06:08,540 --> 01:06:06,839 money for that but I think life just 1345 01:06:10,339 --> 01:06:08,550 kind of throws things at you and you 1346 01:06:14,359 --> 01:06:10,349 have to kind of just roll with it you 1347 01:06:17,059 --> 01:06:14,369 know what I mean so I think I'm as ready 1348 01:06:18,319 --> 01:06:17,069 as I'll ever be you know and I mean I'll 1349 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:18,329 be honest with you I was a little bit 1350 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:21,930 nervous coming on the show today and but 1351 01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:24,569 you just you know you just go with it 1352 01:06:33,099 --> 01:06:27,720 and I think that's all I can do you know 1353 01:06:36,980 --> 01:06:33,109 our our names are out there and you know 1354 01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:36,990 that's just reality for the students you 1355 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:40,760 know it happened we got interviewed and 1356 01:06:44,089 --> 01:06:43,530 that's that's all we can do is just be 1357 01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:44,099 yourself 1358 01:06:48,410 --> 01:06:47,160 you know at this point and I think 1359 01:06:50,900 --> 01:06:48,420 that's the best thing that we can 1360 01:06:54,020 --> 01:06:50,910 actually do mm-hmm 1361 01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:54,030 I'm gonna open the lines up and bill 1362 01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:55,950 will be screening them so if anyone 1363 01:07:02,000 --> 01:06:58,650 wants to give a call in and ask our 1364 01:07:05,059 --> 01:07:02,010 guests or guests a question that number 1365 01:07:07,940 --> 01:07:05,069 is eight five five four seven two five 1366 01:07:10,670 --> 01:07:07,950 four eight three and bill will answer 1367 01:07:13,970 --> 01:07:10,680 the phone and screen you so if anyone 1368 01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:13,980 has some questions feel free to to give 1369 01:07:19,579 --> 01:07:16,619 us a call and again I'll put that number 1370 01:07:24,289 --> 01:07:19,589 up on the screen so you can see it but 1371 01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:24,299 before anyone calls in I guess I want to 1372 01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:29,220 ask as far as Randy you said that you 1373 01:07:35,930 --> 01:07:32,190 actually knew John Mac and that was a 1374 01:07:39,589 --> 01:07:35,940 tragedy we lost him so so young over in 1375 01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:39,599 England there but did he talk a lot 1376 01:07:44,299 --> 01:07:42,450 after this did he bring up this case a 1377 01:07:46,490 --> 01:07:44,309 lot when he came back to the states and 1378 01:07:48,620 --> 01:07:46,500 did you try to make some traction with 1379 01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:48,630 getting people to look at this whole 1380 01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,569 phenomenon well yes there were a couple 1381 01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,000 attempts at a documentary for it and 1382 01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:57,119 yeah he was very he actually included it 1383 01:08:03,680 --> 01:07:59,940 in the book he was writing after that 1384 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:03,690 first book in 94 so yeah he was trying 1385 01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:07,250 to get some people to look at this and 1386 01:08:11,390 --> 01:08:09,930 disorder everything fell through but I 1387 01:08:13,730 --> 01:08:11,400 also want to say like this this 1388 01:08:17,870 --> 01:08:13,740 anniversary this is a 25th anniversary 1389 01:08:19,370 --> 01:08:17,880 of Harvard going after John Mack this is 1390 01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,380 something they had never done in their 1391 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:21,839 history of their University which goes 1392 01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:28,650 back 390 years or so and yeah I just 1393 01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:31,850 want to honor that anniversary as well 1394 01:08:38,150 --> 01:08:35,580 for John Mac's journey and also the BBC 1395 01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:38,160 reporters journey and you know this this 1396 01:08:46,579 --> 01:08:41,759 has affected so many lives in this event 1397 01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:46,589 and I think I hope we can come to a day 1398 01:08:56,329 --> 01:08:50,489 where we can people aren't afraid to to 1399 01:08:58,370 --> 01:08:56,339 talk about it and to be open about and I 1400 01:08:59,930 --> 01:08:58,380 think we can get somewhere because 1401 01:09:02,950 --> 01:08:59,940 obviously it seems like something's 1402 01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:02,960 happening for sure around the globe and 1403 01:09:06,740 --> 01:09:04,440 I think 1404 01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:06,750 it's imperative as a species as are all 1405 01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:09,900 of us as the human species that we try 1406 01:09:15,499 --> 01:09:13,710 to understand it and make some headway 1407 01:09:20,930 --> 01:09:15,509 because I'd said it before but it really 1408 01:09:23,420 --> 01:09:20,940 could involve our faith yes and there's 1409 01:09:26,150 --> 01:09:23,430 nothing more important than that I agree 1410 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:26,160 we have Chris on the line from New 1411 01:09:30,380 --> 01:09:26,730 Jersey 1412 01:09:31,789 --> 01:09:30,390 welcome to the show Chris hi hi great 1413 01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:31,799 show thank you everyone 1414 01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:34,500 I'm really enjoying it a question for 1415 01:09:38,420 --> 01:09:35,880 Emily I don't know if she wants to get 1416 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:38,430 into it but would she be willing to 1417 01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:40,650 share the circumstances of the 1418 01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:43,710 visitations after she was a child as I 1419 01:09:47,630 --> 01:09:46,290 know she had some is that something 1420 01:09:54,019 --> 01:09:47,640 she'd be willing to share with the 1421 01:09:57,620 --> 01:09:54,029 audience well I think we were gonna try 1422 01:10:01,160 --> 01:09:57,630 and keep it to Ariel school um just for 1423 01:10:05,740 --> 01:10:01,170 the anniversary I did I will acknowledge 1424 01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:05,750 that I did experience a couple other 1425 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:10,560 experiences in my life that were more 1426 01:10:21,250 --> 01:10:15,690 spiritual and personal to me 1427 01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:21,260 I can I can talk about one briefly that 1428 01:10:30,410 --> 01:10:24,840 my partner at the time also witnessed 1429 01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:30,420 and my my room I was sleeping in my 1430 01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:33,090 whole room illuminated and it was not a 1431 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:37,280 thunderstorm it wasn't a tech technology 1432 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:39,690 malfunction or anything like that my 1433 01:10:44,510 --> 01:10:41,850 whole room illuminated with this light 1434 01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:44,520 and I woke my partner up at the time in 1435 01:10:52,340 --> 01:10:49,280 a panic because I woke up in a panic and 1436 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:52,350 then I said I don't know what just 1437 01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:53,850 happened but it's gonna happen again the 1438 01:10:59,180 --> 01:10:57,360 whole room lit up and and and then it 1439 01:11:02,209 --> 01:10:59,190 was like on command the whole room lit 1440 01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:02,219 up all over again and I don't know what 1441 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:04,890 to make out of these experiences but 1442 01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:08,370 they to me are more spiritual and and 1443 01:11:16,580 --> 01:11:13,320 personal not everything is you know for 1444 01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,590 everybody sometimes I think these things 1445 01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:18,239 are just meant to happen for 1446 01:11:24,910 --> 01:11:21,449 you and they continue to mold you and 1447 01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:24,920 shape you into the person that you are 1448 01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:27,360 thanks I respect that 1449 01:11:30,859 --> 01:11:30,150 great thank you all right thank you for 1450 01:11:34,220 --> 01:11:30,869 the call 1451 01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:34,230 so the lines open again eight five five 1452 01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:37,489 four seven two five four eight three 1453 01:11:45,290 --> 01:11:42,300 feel free to call in and let's just see 1454 01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:45,300 we have four messages so also if I get a 1455 01:11:49,899 --> 01:11:47,070 chance I will check out the chat room 1456 01:11:53,149 --> 01:11:49,909 and we can you can also post questions 1457 01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:53,159 up there I just it's a little difficult 1458 01:11:59,239 --> 01:11:56,369 to do here solo and do the whole the 1459 01:12:03,680 --> 01:11:59,249 whole thing what about Emily what about 1460 01:12:05,509 --> 01:12:03,690 press has there been has there been any 1461 01:12:07,609 --> 01:12:05,519 time that the press has tried to contact 1462 01:12:08,810 --> 01:12:07,619 you and you know trying to get us trying 1463 01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:08,820 to get you to talk when you don't want 1464 01:12:17,169 --> 01:12:12,239 to I haven't had any pressure from that 1465 01:12:26,270 --> 01:12:20,540 yeah and I'm not actively searching for 1466 01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:26,280 it either so free I prefer to be honest 1467 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:27,840 they prefer for the documentary to come 1468 01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:34,730 out and and from from there you know I 1469 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:37,710 guess what I would say is that you know 1470 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:39,570 it's not just about me there's there's a 1471 01:12:47,089 --> 01:12:42,690 whole 62 of us I got interviewed for 1472 01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,099 this you know I think so I always want 1473 01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:49,199 to you know recognize the other children 1474 01:12:57,649 --> 01:12:55,710 at the same time and you know if if 1475 01:13:01,009 --> 01:12:57,659 somebody would like to do an interview 1476 01:13:06,410 --> 01:13:01,019 most of the time I'm I I'm an anxious 1477 01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:06,420 person and I don't actively look for any 1478 01:13:13,399 --> 01:13:10,050 other attention on myself so I kind of 1479 01:13:17,779 --> 01:13:13,409 directed towards Rindell you know you 1480 01:13:20,419 --> 01:13:17,789 make sense to to get the recognition 1481 01:13:23,419 --> 01:13:20,429 because he has the testimonies of all 1482 01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:23,429 the children you know so I think that's 1483 01:13:29,209 --> 01:13:25,409 important that all the voices get heard 1484 01:13:31,459 --> 01:13:29,219 you know for the the event but I you 1485 01:13:32,060 --> 01:13:31,469 know at some point if somebody wanted to 1486 01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:32,070 talk to you 1487 01:13:40,490 --> 01:13:37,070 my artwork you know or the experience 1488 01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,500 after the documentary you know comes out 1489 01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:42,719 that would be something that I may 1490 01:13:46,459 --> 01:13:45,750 consider but I don't actively search for 1491 01:13:49,729 --> 01:13:46,469 it 1492 01:13:53,540 --> 01:13:49,739 everything else by then when that comes 1493 01:13:55,189 --> 01:13:53,550 out you're gonna be busy I think Randy - 1494 01:13:59,890 --> 01:13:55,199 do we have another college you do have 1495 01:14:02,839 --> 01:13:59,900 something to add to that yeah I just I 1496 01:14:05,540 --> 01:14:02,849 try I tried my best to shield the 1497 01:14:07,129 --> 01:14:05,550 witnesses from the media 1498 01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:07,139 you know they it's Jim generally been 1499 01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:10,590 channeled through me yeah and which is 1500 01:14:18,319 --> 01:14:14,310 which I took on and just to keep you 1501 01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,329 know their privacy and yes I've seen you 1502 01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:19,679 in action 1503 01:14:27,100 --> 01:14:23,400 you know with doing that so yeah you 1504 01:14:29,990 --> 01:14:27,110 haven't let me had any of them hardly 1505 01:14:33,379 --> 01:14:30,000 but anyway we have let me just see who 1506 01:14:35,089 --> 01:14:33,389 we have on on the line we have Nancy 1507 01:14:39,859 --> 01:14:35,099 from South Carolina welcome to the show 1508 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:39,869 Nancy Nancy how are you well thank you 1509 01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:42,530 for calling in you have a question for 1510 01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:45,440 directed at one of our guests are both I 1511 01:14:53,450 --> 01:14:49,650 do I just wanted to send it out to you 1512 01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:53,460 guys I worked with John Mack in Boston 1513 01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:57,360 for two years and I was a psychiatric 1514 01:15:03,169 --> 01:15:01,199 nurse working in a Boston hospital and I 1515 01:15:04,879 --> 01:15:03,179 can't even remember the circumstances 1516 01:15:07,939 --> 01:15:04,889 and how I got involved with the whole 1517 01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:07,949 thing but I met with experiencers once a 1518 01:15:16,569 --> 01:15:12,300 month for two years in a group setting 1519 01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:16,579 and probably it was the most profound 1520 01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:19,409 one of the most profound experiences of 1521 01:15:26,839 --> 01:15:23,460 my life and now I'm living in South 1522 01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:26,849 Carolina and I wanted to start up a 1523 01:15:33,790 --> 01:15:31,020 group again to work with experiencers 1524 01:15:39,740 --> 01:15:33,800 and I wondered if you had I mean because 1525 01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:39,750 what you're saying is amazing and you 1526 01:15:43,129 --> 01:15:41,340 know I know there's so many people out 1527 01:15:45,620 --> 01:15:43,139 there that have had your experiences in 1528 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:45,630 different ways and I think this is 1529 01:15:52,609 --> 01:15:46,530 probably 1530 01:15:54,919 --> 01:15:52,619 most important news that's ever come 1531 01:15:58,580 --> 01:15:54,929 across this planet and I think it needs 1532 01:16:02,229 --> 01:15:58,590 to be strengthened I think it needs to 1533 01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:02,239 be debunked and I want to again 1534 01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:06,960 participate in some form of group work 1535 01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:10,409 with people and I wondered if you if 1536 01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:13,860 that was maybe presumptuous of me to do 1537 01:16:20,510 --> 01:16:17,010 something like that or if you think it's 1538 01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:20,520 something that I could that is important 1539 01:16:26,780 --> 01:16:23,280 to do I would say and if you had any 1540 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:26,790 wisdom on how I might be able to go 1541 01:16:35,540 --> 01:16:31,290 about that because as I said it's it's 1542 01:16:38,890 --> 01:16:35,550 very important work I really understand 1543 01:16:41,450 --> 01:16:38,900 that the taboo and all the you know 1544 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:41,460 judgments around the whole situation and 1545 01:16:45,950 --> 01:16:44,010 it's just a shame and and I think it's 1546 01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:45,960 time that all of this you know stopped 1547 01:16:52,609 --> 01:16:48,480 and we just get upfront about the whole 1548 01:16:56,030 --> 01:16:52,619 thing so oh yeah 1549 01:16:58,370 --> 01:16:56,040 Nancy before I let the others speak if 1550 01:17:02,390 --> 01:16:58,380 you would after the show or any time 1551 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:02,400 email me at Martin at podcast UFO comm 1552 01:17:08,629 --> 01:17:06,090 I'd like to continue the conversation a 1553 01:17:10,459 --> 01:17:08,639 little more on this either Randy or 1554 01:17:15,260 --> 01:17:10,469 Emily would you like to would you like 1555 01:17:19,729 --> 01:17:15,270 to address us well I feel like that I 1556 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:19,739 thank you for that call I really people 1557 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:23,610 that the helpers are really important 1558 01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:26,850 and I've been to several groups through 1559 01:17:32,359 --> 01:17:30,030 this film and met so many people that 1560 01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:32,369 are struggling with this and I think 1561 01:17:41,780 --> 01:17:35,340 it's so important to have a place to go 1562 01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:41,790 and a place where there's no you know a 1563 01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:44,510 place where you can share your story and 1564 01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:48,449 and have your feelings and without it 1565 01:17:55,399 --> 01:17:52,409 being steered in any direction or having 1566 01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:55,409 any predetermined you know decision on 1567 01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:58,050 what this is all about but I think it's 1568 01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:00,000 really profoundly important 1569 01:18:07,550 --> 01:18:04,400 more of the people in psychoanalysis 1570 01:18:10,970 --> 01:18:07,560 psychiatry psychology are involved 1571 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:10,980 because it what of what it does to the 1572 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:13,290 human being when they see something like 1573 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:16,650 that it's not a small experience and it 1574 01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:20,010 has rippling effects for years if not 1575 01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:24,420 decades and Emily can speak to that it's 1576 01:18:31,010 --> 01:18:27,170 right yeah I mean there there's a trauma 1577 01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:31,020 it's a trauma that happens you know so 1578 01:18:36,290 --> 01:18:33,330 there's an impact on on the brain and 1579 01:18:38,900 --> 01:18:36,300 psychology of the individual and you 1580 01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:38,910 know each shapes and molds them into 1581 01:18:43,490 --> 01:18:41,040 becoming the person that they are I 1582 01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:43,500 think through a lot of highs and lows 1583 01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:45,330 it's difficult because you feel 1584 01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:48,600 sometimes you're isolated and not able 1585 01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:51,030 to discuss it with anybody without the 1586 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:52,440 ridicule machine 1587 01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:56,010 and the stigma and a stereotype so you 1588 01:19:00,200 --> 01:18:57,480 know there's a mental health piece to it 1589 01:19:02,780 --> 01:19:00,210 as well and everybody needs somebody to 1590 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:02,790 talk to so it's you know it's a 1591 01:19:09,470 --> 01:19:04,650 wonderful idea and thank you for calling 1592 01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:09,480 in okay Mike your email again Martin yes 1593 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:15,690 it's Martin at podcast UFO calm and I 1594 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:19,050 get a ton of spam so make sure you have 1595 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:21,570 a very clear message in the subject line 1596 01:19:30,850 --> 01:19:25,530 if you would okay will do all right 1597 01:19:41,180 --> 01:19:35,300 okay a question occurred to me Emily and 1598 01:19:44,690 --> 01:19:41,190 that is did you was there at any point 1599 01:19:48,440 --> 01:19:44,700 in time were you just wanted this to go 1600 01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:48,450 away and you wanted to forget about the 1601 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:50,100 whole thing and for it to go away 1602 01:19:59,600 --> 01:19:53,010 permanently it and you just not to deal 1603 01:20:02,390 --> 01:19:59,610 with it anymore yeah sure I think that's 1604 01:20:04,540 --> 01:20:02,400 normal though you know as we were just 1605 01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:04,550 discussing you know sometimes you just I 1606 01:20:09,950 --> 01:20:07,050 think has an experience or you're left 1607 01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:09,960 with questions as well so those 1608 01:20:17,959 --> 01:20:13,199 questions are like why me you know 1609 01:20:20,419 --> 01:20:17,969 um you know at first when I had emailed 1610 01:20:23,089 --> 01:20:20,429 Randall I was like I was curious I was 1611 01:20:25,939 --> 01:20:23,099 just you know like why are my my splash 1612 01:20:29,299 --> 01:20:25,949 delivering Internet why is my name being 1613 01:20:31,129 --> 01:20:29,309 used why is why is my image as a child's 1614 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:31,139 community put out there like I was 1615 01:20:35,719 --> 01:20:33,690 furious you know so I wanted it to just 1616 01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,729 disappear and you know I wanted to move 1617 01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:37,920 on I wanted to just develop into the 1618 01:20:44,509 --> 01:20:41,249 adults and you know focus on my career 1619 01:20:46,489 --> 01:20:44,519 and I was I was kind of like oh my gosh 1620 01:20:51,009 --> 01:20:46,499 this could jeopardize my life you know 1621 01:20:53,180 --> 01:20:51,019 so at many points I've had got kind of 1622 01:20:58,489 --> 01:20:53,190 love-hate relationship with this 1623 01:21:02,239 --> 01:20:58,499 experience huh um but I mean it's it is 1624 01:21:04,399 --> 01:21:02,249 what it is you know it's it's it's a 1625 01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,409 blessing and it's a bit of a curse at 1626 01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:06,239 the same time and you just have to roll 1627 01:21:12,049 --> 01:21:09,360 with it right you know um saying just 1628 01:21:14,959 --> 01:21:12,059 exactly what a number of people have 1629 01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:14,969 told me that have had you know profound 1630 01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:18,329 experiences Travis Walton basically you 1631 01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:20,610 know he actually told me in his own 1632 01:21:25,219 --> 01:21:22,920 words that he hid from it for a number 1633 01:21:27,620 --> 01:21:25,229 of years and you know now he's very 1634 01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:27,630 active and in by the way he should be 1635 01:21:33,979 --> 01:21:29,369 coming up fairly soon in one of the 1636 01:21:38,540 --> 01:21:33,989 shows but you know I can definitely 1637 01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:38,550 understand any any bit of trauma or you 1638 01:21:42,319 --> 01:21:40,050 know people are gonna want to like 1639 01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:42,329 forget that one you know that happened 1640 01:21:45,799 --> 01:21:44,369 and of course the why me 1641 01:21:47,959 --> 01:21:45,809 you know that's probably the number one 1642 01:21:49,689 --> 01:21:47,969 question that people might ask 1643 01:21:54,319 --> 01:21:49,699 themselves in that situation like this 1644 01:21:55,819 --> 01:21:54,329 so sure yeah that that's very true from 1645 01:21:59,259 --> 01:21:55,829 what I've run across and with all the 1646 01:22:03,279 --> 01:21:59,269 kids - yeah that's that's very much a 1647 01:22:06,649 --> 01:22:03,289 million questions and very few answers 1648 01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:06,659 Randi well while you're on speaking now 1649 01:22:12,500 --> 01:22:10,050 I'm running on YouTube a slideshow of 1650 01:22:14,359 --> 01:22:12,510 when you were filming in Africa how long 1651 01:22:16,489 --> 01:22:14,369 were you there how many how many times 1652 01:22:22,429 --> 01:22:16,499 were you there and and what was that 1653 01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:22,439 like it was a culture shock when I first 1654 01:22:26,399 --> 01:22:25,380 got there you know there's there was 1655 01:22:34,110 --> 01:22:26,409 machineguns 1656 01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:34,120 and security was crazy and anyway yeah 1657 01:22:40,020 --> 01:22:36,489 it's it was a very different world I was 1658 01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:40,030 there three times and a total of a year 1659 01:22:47,700 --> 01:22:44,320 and four months Wow 1660 01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:47,710 travelled to interview the witnesses 1661 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:49,750 that had seen something before aerial 1662 01:22:55,919 --> 01:22:54,010 and and then tracking down the kids from 1663 01:23:01,290 --> 01:22:55,929 the school and some some of the teachers 1664 01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,300 as well and yeah it was I've seen 1665 01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:03,280 Zimbabwe and my heart goes out to 1666 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:06,159 Zimbabwe because they have gone through 1667 01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:10,330 an awful lot and politically in strife 1668 01:23:19,860 --> 01:23:16,780 and so I went in 2008 when I went there 1669 01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,870 was political violence and it was 1670 01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:22,000 actually not recommended by the State 1671 01:23:27,570 --> 01:23:23,590 Department that I go matter of fact I 1672 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:27,580 shouldn't have gone but the second I 1673 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:30,010 went it was much better and then the 1674 01:23:35,340 --> 01:23:32,530 third time I went it was it was good but 1675 01:23:39,030 --> 01:23:35,350 the economy was starting to tank again 1676 01:23:41,370 --> 01:23:39,040 and now it's in shambles once again but 1677 01:23:44,250 --> 01:23:41,380 yeah I mean just going to Africa I'm you 1678 01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:44,260 know I'm a small-town guy that grew up 1679 01:23:52,350 --> 01:23:48,880 in a town of 800 people to go to Africa 1680 01:23:55,500 --> 01:23:52,360 was a was a was a huge step for it was a 1681 01:23:58,729 --> 01:23:55,510 huge risk for me because uh and a huge 1682 01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,739 step but I was so determined that 1683 01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:01,120 finding the school and finding out more 1684 01:24:06,930 --> 01:24:03,790 about this incident because I knew over 1685 01:24:13,140 --> 01:24:06,940 time that this was something that was 1686 01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:13,150 really significant yeah and yeah so it 1687 01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:17,110 was a it was a labor of love 1688 01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:20,170 yes I'm sure and I like I mentioned 1689 01:24:24,570 --> 01:24:22,150 before earlier I've seen your wildlife 1690 01:24:28,399 --> 01:24:24,580 your African wildlife images online 1691 01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:28,409 I suggest anyone that loves nature and 1692 01:24:35,729 --> 01:24:32,230 African wildlife to check out those 1693 01:24:39,419 --> 01:24:35,739 photos those are just excellent oh yeah 1694 01:24:40,260 --> 01:24:39,429 we do have a caller we have a Clark he's 1695 01:24:43,940 --> 01:24:40,270 calling 1696 01:24:47,370 --> 01:24:43,950 from Tennessee Clark welcome to the show 1697 01:24:50,670 --> 01:24:47,380 hey thanks a lot good talk to you guys 1698 01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:50,680 everyone finally I was a big fan of the 1699 01:24:59,220 --> 01:24:54,340 show and actually I think that Randall 1700 01:25:02,960 --> 01:24:59,230 we communicated through emails there and 1701 01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:02,970 I'm congratulations on above the your 1702 01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:06,070 work and getting the hope this gets gets 1703 01:25:12,770 --> 01:25:07,890 out there and gets a lot of highs 1704 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:12,780 because it looks very interesting okay 1705 01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:13,930 ix 1706 01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:17,050 I actually you know growing up 1707 01:25:21,630 --> 01:25:18,880 I'm originally from North Carolina I 1708 01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:21,640 moved here to Tennessee but growing up I 1709 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:24,310 would watch all kinds of shades of 1710 01:25:28,590 --> 01:25:26,530 documentaries based on the subjects so 1711 01:25:31,260 --> 01:25:28,600 you and it's good to see it seems like 1712 01:25:35,550 --> 01:25:31,270 the last over the last like five six 1713 01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:35,560 years the you know so the subject has 1714 01:25:42,510 --> 01:25:37,930 gotten some better light on it now it's 1715 01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:42,520 there's or just the the the material 1716 01:25:48,750 --> 01:25:45,600 alone and the evidence that seems to be 1717 01:25:52,380 --> 01:25:48,760 presenting itself is just fascinating 1718 01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:52,390 and and it's it's good to see and and I 1719 01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:56,080 had the privilege to and honor to work 1720 01:26:04,260 --> 01:26:01,600 with helped James Fox a little bit on as 1721 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:04,270 a newest project and I helped and I did 1722 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:06,010 some sound work for Dave baby on his 1723 01:26:11,940 --> 01:26:09,010 nimitz doctor there and that's a 1724 01:26:14,270 --> 01:26:11,950 filmmaker this you don't have to spend a 1725 01:26:18,900 --> 01:26:14,280 lot of time on this but it's it might be 1726 01:26:23,070 --> 01:26:18,910 for the listeners to tears but what I 1727 01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:23,080 mean I know the process take taken that 1728 01:26:28,830 --> 01:26:25,930 long what was your you know over the 1729 01:26:30,990 --> 01:26:28,840 with the change in technology you know 1730 01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:31,000 what you know just be interesting to 1731 01:26:38,490 --> 01:26:35,650 hear just a brief run over of what you 1732 01:26:40,350 --> 01:26:38,500 know what cameras you are using and 1733 01:26:42,030 --> 01:26:40,360 specifically you know because I know you 1734 01:26:45,230 --> 01:26:42,040 had to maintain some kind of consistency 1735 01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:45,240 but but also what she ultimately 1736 01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:48,400 finished your work with if you're as far 1737 01:26:54,850 --> 01:26:51,640 as on the editing side because it's it's 1738 01:26:57,140 --> 01:26:54,860 it's just that the whole process 1739 01:26:59,300 --> 01:26:57,150 like you say it's a labor of love and 1740 01:27:01,940 --> 01:26:59,310 when you get into and get your hands on 1741 01:27:05,060 --> 01:27:01,950 there on the field and working with the 1742 01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:05,070 material that you really love it's it's 1743 01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:07,530 just the ultimate pay office is doing 1744 01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:10,410 what you're doing and I would yeah if 1745 01:27:17,540 --> 01:27:15,360 you have the time to talk about just a 1746 01:27:20,570 --> 01:27:17,550 little bit of the process and your go-to 1747 01:27:23,660 --> 01:27:20,580 cameras and what she finished with yeah 1748 01:27:26,450 --> 01:27:23,670 I shot thanks for the question and yeah 1749 01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:26,460 I I'm sure if I RAC my memory I'll 1750 01:27:35,260 --> 01:27:32,880 remember where we met but I we finished 1751 01:27:39,710 --> 01:27:35,270 the film out in DaVinci and sound 1752 01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:39,720 ProTools and edited in Premiere and we 1753 01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:43,440 added that in Final Cut 7.3 which is a 1754 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:44,970 really great program but a little 1755 01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:49,050 outdated and we had about yeah six or 1756 01:27:56,900 --> 01:27:51,540 seven go to cameras I when I initially 1757 01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:56,910 started we was shooting on tape and here 1758 01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:00,000 right the technology drastically started 1759 01:28:07,130 --> 01:28:05,010 to change and same with you know when 1760 01:28:08,780 --> 01:28:07,140 Facebook actually I wouldn't haven't 1761 01:28:10,670 --> 01:28:08,790 probably gotten in touch with a lot of 1762 01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:10,680 these witnesses if it wasn't for the 1763 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:15,870 technology of Facebook at that time but 1764 01:28:24,770 --> 01:28:20,810 yeah we we have had to adjust to the 1765 01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:24,780 technology evolving and there's some 1766 01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:28,730 great tools now that have really helped 1767 01:28:35,150 --> 01:28:32,850 the quality of the film itself you know 1768 01:28:37,930 --> 01:28:35,160 Taryn exiting all the I'm sure you're 1769 01:28:43,460 --> 01:28:37,940 familiar with that term you know all the 1770 01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:43,470 all the archival and you know really 1771 01:28:49,700 --> 01:28:46,860 cleaning things up not to take the real 1772 01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:49,710 way but to just take anything that's you 1773 01:28:54,290 --> 01:28:52,560 know just for acting away but yeah I 1774 01:28:56,270 --> 01:28:54,300 hate the call because there there is a 1775 01:28:58,400 --> 01:28:56,280 whole technical side that people don't 1776 01:29:01,610 --> 01:28:58,410 understand or don't think about so much 1777 01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:01,620 that I've had to deal with and I'm sure 1778 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:03,330 you've had to deal with where you have 1779 01:29:09,610 --> 01:29:05,850 to you know get the best equipment you 1780 01:29:16,850 --> 01:29:13,160 make the best of it yeah and that 1781 01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:16,860 happens you know well hey thank you for 1782 01:29:21,380 --> 01:29:19,040 the call yeah thank you 1783 01:29:21,980 --> 01:29:21,390 good luck with everything all right 1784 01:29:24,350 --> 01:29:21,990 thanks 1785 01:29:31,340 --> 01:29:24,360 our eyes were glazing over right Emily 1786 01:29:34,430 --> 01:29:31,350 just a little bit the tech side that's 1787 01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:34,440 okay so anyone anyone can call in the 1788 01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:36,690 phone number is eight five five four 1789 01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:39,480 seven two five four eight three well I'm 1790 01:29:45,410 --> 01:29:41,610 gonna ask a question you know sort of 1791 01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:45,420 along those lines but but not in the 1792 01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:47,280 tech part I just want to ask you what 1793 01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:50,810 the hardest part of making this film was 1794 01:30:03,350 --> 01:29:58,410 the hardest part has been having no time 1795 01:30:05,420 --> 01:30:03,360 to really think or have a life so this 1796 01:30:07,340 --> 01:30:05,430 has been my life for ten years and when 1797 01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:07,350 when I've completed the film with the 1798 01:30:15,740 --> 01:30:13,890 crew I started to remember it was just 1799 01:30:19,130 --> 01:30:15,750 weird it was like all of a sudden I was 1800 01:30:21,740 --> 01:30:19,140 back in 2008 when I started and having 1801 01:30:24,260 --> 01:30:21,750 memories from 2008 I'm like oh my god it 1802 01:30:26,930 --> 01:30:24,270 was just like a it was a it was quite a 1803 01:30:29,570 --> 01:30:26,940 process that I went through and I it was 1804 01:30:34,090 --> 01:30:29,580 like where I left off I went once I got 1805 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:38,450 so it's been a process I mean some of 1806 01:30:44,660 --> 01:30:42,810 the hardest things were danger dangerous 1807 01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:44,670 things that I you know going to 1808 01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:47,010 interview people in Africa and some very 1809 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:52,410 very not-so-good places and that 1810 01:30:59,720 --> 01:30:56,010 happened several times and actually in a 1811 01:31:02,000 --> 01:30:59,730 good way it actually grew me as a man as 1812 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:02,010 far as okay you know when you're in 1813 01:31:06,020 --> 01:31:03,930 those situations you just got a you've 1814 01:31:10,490 --> 01:31:06,030 got a you've got to be a man and you've 1815 01:31:12,650 --> 01:31:10,500 got to stick it out and so yeah they're 1816 01:31:16,510 --> 01:31:12,660 the most difficult part boy 1817 01:31:21,500 --> 01:31:16,520 there were so many but it worth it but 1818 01:31:23,629 --> 01:31:21,510 and just you know 1819 01:31:26,419 --> 01:31:23,639 all the behind-the-scenes work of 1820 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:26,429 tracking down all the material archival 1821 01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:29,610 and all that that was another whole 1822 01:31:37,580 --> 01:31:31,920 thing but I think out in the field was 1823 01:31:40,850 --> 01:31:37,590 was some of my most difficult yeah right 1824 01:31:46,899 --> 01:31:40,860 I guess I'll ask you what was your 1825 01:31:56,089 --> 01:31:51,850 meeting the people who this happened to 1826 01:31:58,819 --> 01:31:56,099 meeting Emily meeting Emma Salma I mean 1827 01:32:05,240 --> 01:31:58,829 there's a forty or forty three people 1828 01:32:07,939 --> 01:32:05,250 that I sat with and I think that was it 1829 01:32:11,169 --> 01:32:07,949 and the people Judy and the staff at 1830 01:32:16,970 --> 01:32:11,179 Ariel school and they're just amazing 1831 01:32:19,939 --> 01:32:16,980 giving and helping and the people I 1832 01:32:22,580 --> 01:32:19,949 worked with I you know I tend to do 1833 01:32:25,310 --> 01:32:22,590 projects alone generally you know in the 1834 01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:25,320 past I have and to bring on the crew 1835 01:32:30,919 --> 01:32:28,320 that I had was a great growing 1836 01:32:34,970 --> 01:32:30,929 experience for me to really work and 1837 01:32:37,879 --> 01:32:34,980 collaborate with five other people that 1838 01:32:39,709 --> 01:32:37,889 helped me grow a lot and and I and I 1839 01:32:41,839 --> 01:32:39,719 know it helped the film enormous ly to 1840 01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:41,849 have such talented people working with 1841 01:32:50,990 --> 01:32:48,300 me and so yeah it's it's the part that I 1842 01:32:53,299 --> 01:32:51,000 really love was just being able to tell 1843 01:32:54,129 --> 01:32:53,309 this story in the in it in the best way 1844 01:32:57,470 --> 01:32:54,139 possible 1845 01:32:59,359 --> 01:32:57,480 but also working with all these people 1846 01:33:03,229 --> 01:32:59,369 and getting to know them in their lives 1847 01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:03,239 and understanding them yeah that's all 1848 01:33:08,209 --> 01:33:06,000 yeah that's great we have john calling 1849 01:33:12,259 --> 01:33:08,219 from florida I believe it's John let me 1850 01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:12,269 take a look welcome to the show yeah hi 1851 01:33:18,500 --> 01:33:16,050 how are you doing it is John right yes 1852 01:33:19,850 --> 01:33:18,510 that's right hi John thanks for the call 1853 01:33:23,509 --> 01:33:19,860 you have a question for one of our 1854 01:33:27,859 --> 01:33:23,519 guests or both yeah yes actually I have 1855 01:33:30,020 --> 01:33:27,869 a two-prong question first I want to 1856 01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:30,030 just say this is amazing i only just 1857 01:33:35,209 --> 01:33:32,610 learned about this yesterday and I've 1858 01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:35,219 been seeing the clips and the trailers 1859 01:33:39,620 --> 01:33:38,489 and actually ended up getting up in the 1860 01:33:41,420 --> 01:33:39,630 middle of the night and couldn't stop 1861 01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:41,430 thinking about the whole incident some 1862 01:33:45,170 --> 01:33:42,330 Wow 1863 01:33:47,540 --> 01:33:45,180 yeah it does have that effect I mean the 1864 01:33:52,430 --> 01:33:47,550 first time I ever saw footage of John 1865 01:33:55,610 --> 01:33:52,440 Mac interviewing these children it was 1866 01:33:57,650 --> 01:33:55,620 it was moving it was a it was an 1867 01:34:02,240 --> 01:33:57,660 experience for that you know really had 1868 01:34:06,110 --> 01:34:02,250 me thinking really deeply yes yes 1869 01:34:08,150 --> 01:34:06,120 exactly and and I like Emily I grew up 1870 01:34:12,430 --> 01:34:08,160 overseas ten years of my life as a third 1871 01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,440 culture kid they call him and I was just 1872 01:34:16,580 --> 01:34:15,120 feeling like her experience of being 1873 01:34:19,220 --> 01:34:16,590 over there and she talked about a 1874 01:34:22,189 --> 01:34:19,230 culture shock coming back and then here 1875 01:34:30,380 --> 01:34:22,199 she's got to culture to shocks in her 1876 01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:30,390 life the incident and so two questions 1877 01:34:39,050 --> 01:34:33,810 once just really brief how tall were the 1878 01:34:41,660 --> 01:34:39,060 aliens there are about three and a half 1879 01:34:43,850 --> 01:34:41,670 to four feet tall and I see that because 1880 01:34:49,100 --> 01:34:43,860 they were in comparison to around my 1881 01:34:51,650 --> 01:34:49,110 height as a child okay when Iraq I'm 1882 01:34:56,110 --> 01:34:51,660 just sort of feed directly into their 1883 01:35:00,110 --> 01:34:56,120 eyes because of the height thing yes 1884 01:35:03,950 --> 01:35:00,120 where were were all over the same height 1885 01:35:06,500 --> 01:35:03,960 or were the different heights um I can't 1886 01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:06,510 speak for anybody else but the ones that 1887 01:35:14,090 --> 01:35:10,880 I saw were like identical in height 1888 01:35:16,610 --> 01:35:14,100 that's interesting and my second 1889 01:35:20,810 --> 01:35:16,620 question is has this changed your view 1890 01:35:22,820 --> 01:35:20,820 of spirituality over time and what you 1891 01:35:26,530 --> 01:35:22,830 don't have to share it with have 1892 01:35:30,740 --> 01:35:26,540 anything for sure yeah it definitely 1893 01:35:34,130 --> 01:35:30,750 opened my eyes my parents work for the 1894 01:35:36,380 --> 01:35:34,140 Salvation Army and so we were 1895 01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:36,390 missionaries overseas for the Salvation 1896 01:35:46,669 --> 01:35:43,050 Army and I I still have faith in God and 1897 01:35:48,410 --> 01:35:46,679 I think that's going to be something 1898 01:35:49,189 --> 01:35:48,420 that's covered in the documentary film 1899 01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:49,199 as well 1900 01:35:56,180 --> 01:35:53,760 where most of the children still have a 1901 01:35:59,540 --> 01:35:56,190 faith in comprehension and understanding 1902 01:36:03,070 --> 01:35:59,550 of God but we also have a comprehension 1903 01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:03,080 and an understanding of another creature 1904 01:36:09,410 --> 01:36:07,679 yeah to include that so so in a sense 1905 01:36:12,140 --> 01:36:09,420 you could say your view of God in the 1906 01:36:14,930 --> 01:36:12,150 sense of maybe well I know as a child it 1907 01:36:17,689 --> 01:36:14,940 changes or maybe changes over it has a 1908 01:36:22,390 --> 01:36:17,699 change somewhat then that view of what 1909 01:36:25,910 --> 01:36:22,400 is God and yeah I I went through a 1910 01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:25,920 beautiful rebel stage in my life where I 1911 01:36:32,510 --> 01:36:29,130 actually stopped going to the church 1912 01:36:37,580 --> 01:36:32,520 because I didn't understand how it all 1913 01:36:39,740 --> 01:36:37,590 fit and so I took a step back from 1914 01:36:44,689 --> 01:36:39,750 spirituality in my life for quite some 1915 01:36:48,220 --> 01:36:44,699 time and I I mean I always it was always 1916 01:36:51,290 --> 01:36:48,230 there and it was always prevalent as to 1917 01:36:55,070 --> 01:36:51,300 what I would say being a spiritual 1918 01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:55,080 person and growing up with some morals 1919 01:37:01,130 --> 01:36:59,520 ethics and values and beliefs but there 1920 01:37:06,709 --> 01:37:01,140 was a time in my life where I did take a 1921 01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:06,719 step back and then I had another couple 1922 01:37:12,740 --> 01:37:09,570 of experiences which actually brought me 1923 01:37:15,950 --> 01:37:12,750 back to my face so it was a bit of a 1924 01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:15,960 journey oh wow hey we have a we're 1925 01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:18,050 running out of time rather quickly here 1926 01:37:23,959 --> 01:37:21,750 so thanks for the call John and we have 1927 01:37:27,020 --> 01:37:23,969 another problem we have on call thank 1928 01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:27,030 you and I do want to tell the youtuber 1929 01:37:31,010 --> 01:37:29,640 out there anyone on YouTube when we end 1930 01:37:32,630 --> 01:37:31,020 the show tonight we're gonna play that 1931 01:37:35,959 --> 01:37:32,640 trailer by golly you're gonna get to 1932 01:37:38,270 --> 01:37:35,969 watch that trailer so we do have another 1933 01:37:41,209 --> 01:37:38,280 caller and this our last caller for the 1934 01:37:45,860 --> 01:37:41,219 night we have Andy welcome to the show 1935 01:37:49,250 --> 01:37:45,870 from Connecticut thank you very much 1936 01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:49,260 I realize this is very much of a human 1937 01:37:57,439 --> 01:37:53,250 story but I am curious to ask what if 1938 01:38:01,790 --> 01:37:57,449 any physical or trace evidence was seen 1939 01:38:02,959 --> 01:38:01,800 or gathered at the landing site after 1940 01:38:05,870 --> 01:38:02,969 the Internet occur 1941 01:38:08,450 --> 01:38:05,880 I'm wondering if any of the older 1942 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:08,460 children walked any of the teachers out 1943 01:38:11,540 --> 01:38:10,650 to the site either later that day or the 1944 01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:11,550 next day 1945 01:38:21,229 --> 01:38:16,650 any comment there good question yeah the 1946 01:38:23,090 --> 01:38:21,239 site was looked at on that basically the 1947 01:38:26,540 --> 01:38:23,100 teachers had kept everybody away from 1948 01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:26,550 the site and then Cynthia hind had 1949 01:38:31,970 --> 01:38:29,370 brought in a specialist that she had 1950 01:38:33,890 --> 01:38:31,980 worked with with the Geiger counter and 1951 01:38:36,830 --> 01:38:33,900 all kinds of other different devices 1952 01:38:39,290 --> 01:38:36,840 they took soil samples from five 1953 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:39,300 different sites nothing came back 1954 01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:44,010 positive as far as unusual anything 1955 01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:48,540 unusual there was a part of the grant 1956 01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:52,080 the long grass that was seemed to be 1957 01:39:01,189 --> 01:38:56,719 blown down in almost like an old 1958 01:39:05,180 --> 01:39:01,199 horseshoe shape in a way where they that 1959 01:39:09,170 --> 01:39:05,190 this thing was first sighted so as far 1960 01:39:11,390 --> 01:39:09,180 as tangible scientifically provable 1961 01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:11,400 evidence on that there was nothing 1962 01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:14,400 revealed but the work was done but we 1963 01:39:20,689 --> 01:39:17,760 don't know you know a lot of times we 1964 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:20,699 don't know what energies or what what 1965 01:39:26,170 --> 01:39:21,570 we're dealing with 1966 01:39:28,459 --> 01:39:26,180 what kind of trace traces would be left 1967 01:39:31,820 --> 01:39:28,469 it really depends on their technology 1968 01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:31,830 and how it was employed at the time if 1969 01:39:36,890 --> 01:39:35,280 that if this if that's the case so 1970 01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:36,900 that's all I have to say about that but 1971 01:39:42,830 --> 01:39:41,370 it's a very good question and yeah it's 1972 01:39:45,380 --> 01:39:42,840 definitely something we cover in the 1973 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:45,390 film also Andy thank you we're going to 1974 01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:47,850 have to cut it now so I do appreciate 1975 01:39:58,430 --> 01:39:53,250 the call Emily for you approximately 1976 01:40:01,280 --> 01:39:58,440 what I guess I guess the screener took 1977 01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:01,290 that seriously so the call is gone I'm 1978 01:40:08,930 --> 01:40:04,890 sorry about that Andy we still have our 1979 01:40:10,910 --> 01:40:08,940 guests on though right yep okay so Nate 1980 01:40:13,790 --> 01:40:10,920 yeah we're at the end of the show and I 1981 01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:13,800 do want to thank you so much I really 1982 01:40:16,370 --> 01:40:15,449 really enjoyed tonight's show I hope you 1983 01:40:19,220 --> 01:40:16,380 did too 1984 01:40:22,190 --> 01:40:19,230 yeah Thank You Martin thank you yeah 1985 01:40:25,030 --> 01:40:22,200 Thank You Martin and kept more check out 1986 01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:25,040 the site it's aerial phenomenon calm and 1987 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:28,410 we appreciate any support people can 1988 01:40:33,340 --> 01:40:30,810 give us and any suggestions were open 1989 01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:33,350 and the film that's coming soon 1990 01:40:39,020 --> 01:40:36,900 that's great all right I'm going to say 1991 01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:39,030 good night to you too and I really want 1992 01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:40,050 to thank you so much 1993 01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:43,380 Thank You Emily thank you you're welcome 1994 01:40:50,810 --> 01:40:46,560 okay all right all right we'll talk to 1995 01:40:54,230 --> 01:40:50,820 you soon yeah all right take care bye so 1996 01:40:57,460 --> 01:40:54,240 as you I am so much looking forward to 1997 01:41:00,110 --> 01:40:57,470 this this show coming out and please 1998 01:41:04,130 --> 01:41:00,120 please keep you know checking that out 1999 01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:04,140 and you will see the show coming on my 2000 01:41:07,220 --> 01:41:05,760 website I have a banner there and you 2001 01:41:10,460 --> 01:41:07,230 keep in touch just by clicking there 2002 01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:10,470 next week we have Rob Shelley coming on 2003 01:41:16,940 --> 01:41:13,770 the show and stay in there on YouTube we 2004 01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:16,950 are going to play the trailer for you 2005 01:41:23,630 --> 01:41:19,500 now and remember to keep your eyes to 2006 01:41:26,050 --> 01:41:23,640 the sky hundreds of people today phone 2007 01:41:29,180 --> 01:41:26,060 does that beseech saying they cited an 2008 01:41:31,070 --> 01:41:29,190 unidentified flying object with a bright 2009 01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:31,080 radiant life I've never seen anything 2010 01:41:36,980 --> 01:41:34,530 like it in my life people from all over 2011 01:41:39,140 --> 01:41:36,990 Zimbabwe were phoning the BBC to say 2012 01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:39,150 we've seen something weird there were 2013 01:41:47,070 --> 01:41:41,610 three of us that sort myself the copilot 2014 01:41:53,979 --> 01:41:51,419 eriell school 19th September 94 2015 01:41:56,620 --> 01:41:53,989 could you tell me what you saw on Friday 2016 01:41:59,169 --> 01:41:56,630 there's so birthing it in amongst this 2017 01:42:02,200 --> 01:41:59,179 clump of trees we saw this black figure 2018 01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,210 running his face was like this and his 2019 01:42:08,439 --> 01:42:04,400 eyes were down here I just thought it 2020 01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:08,449 was some kind of alien he looks at those 2021 01:42:16,300 --> 01:42:12,050 children they were absolutely credible 2022 01:42:17,979 --> 01:42:16,310 and whereabouts was it there was a big 2023 01:42:19,780 --> 01:42:17,989 group of kids pointing and making a 2024 01:42:22,899 --> 01:42:19,790 noise and shouting and screaming the 2025 01:42:25,450 --> 01:42:22,909 panic spread am i safe or am I not safe 2026 01:42:27,580 --> 01:42:25,460 and he's a Harvard psychiatrist meet dr. 2027 01:42:29,530 --> 01:42:27,590 John Mack we came away convinced is an 2028 01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:29,540 extraordinary event occurred here I 2029 01:42:35,350 --> 01:42:32,480 think they want people to know that 2030 01:42:38,410 --> 01:42:35,360 we're actually making calm honest well 2031 01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:38,420 how did that get communicated to you it 2032 01:42:42,550 --> 01:42:40,489 came to my head somehow there was a 2033 01:42:45,630 --> 01:42:42,560 message about pollution from the way he 2034 01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:45,640 was staring I was just all part of 2035 01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:48,290 journalists I could handle war zones but 2036 01:42:53,380 --> 01:42:50,960 I could not handle this UFO anything I 2037 01:42:53,979 --> 01:42:53,390 mean I never felt this could derail my 2038 01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:53,989 career 2039 01:42:59,320 --> 01:42:56,810 angels yes extraterrestrials no John has 2040 01:43:02,020 --> 01:42:59,330 lost at this time this journey is 2041 01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:02,030 literally to pick up the pieces and put 2042 01:43:04,930 --> 01:43:03,050 them back together 2043 01:43:07,690 --> 01:43:04,940 [Music] 2044 01:43:10,090 --> 01:43:07,700 I was right on the log when it actually 2045 01:43:14,440 --> 01:43:10,100 happens that lunging through those funny 2046 01:43:17,890 --> 01:43:14,450 because something that I'll never ever 2047 01:43:19,480 --> 01:43:17,900 forget I've drawn this again but I 2048 01:43:23,250 --> 01:43:19,490 usually kept it quiet people think 2049 01:43:26,290 --> 01:43:23,260 you're crazy you feel so alone Society 2050 01:43:29,170 --> 01:43:26,300 why is it we tend to want to shrink this 2051 01:43:30,910 --> 01:43:29,180 powerful phenomenon to our notions of 2052 01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:30,920 reality rather than being able to 2053 01:43:36,910 --> 01:43:33,920 stretch ourselves to expand what we know 2054 01:43:40,060 --> 01:43:36,920 and to admit that we don't know would 2055 01:43:42,820 --> 01:43:40,070 you like to see him again and if you saw 2056 01:43:45,070 --> 01:43:42,830 him again what would you do I'll ask him 2057 01:43:48,340 --> 01:43:45,080 some questions would you like to ask him 2058 01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:48,350 ask him what fizzy doing on earth and 2059 01:44:02,380 --> 01:43:59,280 [Music] 2060 01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:02,390 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2061 01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:03,170 triangle 2062 01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:04,250 you know there's explanation for 2063 01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:05,360 everything that occurred in the 2064 01:44:09,130 --> 01:44:07,010 Rendlesham forest incident didn't 2065 01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,140 doesn't involve aliens at all it was 2066 01:44:15,370 --> 01:44:11,840 completely silent it comes right over 2067 01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:15,380 our head it's so classic flying-saucer 2068 01:44:18,820 --> 01:44:17,210 really standing in the clearing he 2069 01:44:20,440 --> 01:44:18,830 turned over to my father and held his